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<blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 6135108" data-attributes="member: 17077">Yes, cantrips are more likely to &quot;hit&quot; much of the time because a creature is more likely to fail a Dex save than to have a lower AC. However, cantrips also can't crit, and because they don't make attack rolls, they don't benefit from many of the situations that grant ranged attackers advantage on their attack rolls (there is no equivalent rule for giving a defender disadvantage on his saves in most cases). Cantrips also don't add an ability bonus to their damage. That more than evens things out. That said, I would prefer that cantrips go back to attacking AC and having an ability bonus to damage just like weapon attacks. I think it is more fun for the player and all around more fair for everyone that way. I'm just pointing out that the current setup doesn't give cantrips the kind of advantage that people think it does.No it doesn't. An increase in Int that adds to the save DC is effectively the same exact thing as an increase to Dex that adds to attack rolls.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Falling Icicle, post: 6135108, member: 17077"] Yes, cantrips are more likely to "hit" much of the time because a creature is more likely to fail a Dex save than to have a lower AC. However, cantrips also can't crit, and because they don't make attack rolls, they don't benefit from many of the situations that grant ranged attackers advantage on their attack rolls (there is no equivalent rule for giving a defender disadvantage on his saves in most cases). Cantrips also don't add an ability bonus to their damage. That more than evens things out. That said, I would prefer that cantrips go back to attacking AC and having an ability bonus to damage just like weapon attacks. I think it is more fun for the player and all around more fair for everyone that way. I'm just pointing out that the current setup doesn't give cantrips the kind of advantage that people think it does. No it doesn't. An increase in Int that adds to the save DC is effectively the same exact thing as an increase to Dex that adds to attack rolls. [/QUOTE]

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