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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6135582" data-attributes="member: 43019">Sounds like pretty universal agreement that spell save DCs are too high. They start at monsters needing ~13, climb to ~19 over time. Personally I'd be fine with closer to 50/50, or with monsters becoming slightly more resistant over time (~13 -&gt; ~10 for example), but depends on how effective you want spells to be. If a failed save drops a boss without any prep, I want it to be notable. If you set things up so folks do some set of actions to give a boss disadvantage on saves, and then the spell has a high chance to drop 'em, great.Anyhow, cantrip damage-wise, at the moment it's doing less than the not-Dex fighter with their backup crossbow. That's pretty lame to me. In the same way that &quot;Roll initiative. Wizard goes first? You cast boom spell for X damage. Hmm, my guys have less than X/2 hp so I won't bother to roll saves. Next fight then.&quot; is also pretty lame to me, in the other direction.Certainly enough that I don't feel it's a waste of time for me to be rolling the save against their cantrip damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 6135582, member: 43019"] Sounds like pretty universal agreement that spell save DCs are too high. They start at monsters needing ~13, climb to ~19 over time. Personally I'd be fine with closer to 50/50, or with monsters becoming slightly more resistant over time (~13 -> ~10 for example), but depends on how effective you want spells to be. If a failed save drops a boss without any prep, I want it to be notable. If you set things up so folks do some set of actions to give a boss disadvantage on saves, and then the spell has a high chance to drop 'em, great. Anyhow, cantrip damage-wise, at the moment it's doing less than the not-Dex fighter with their backup crossbow. That's pretty lame to me. In the same way that "Roll initiative. Wizard goes first? You cast boom spell for X damage. Hmm, my guys have less than X/2 hp so I won't bother to roll saves. Next fight then." is also pretty lame to me, in the other direction. Certainly enough that I don't feel it's a waste of time for me to be rolling the save against their cantrip damage. [/QUOTE]

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