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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kerbarian" data-source="post: 3009690" data-attributes="member: 40393">IMO, there should be a formula, but honestly, it doesn't look like there is one.  Either that, or there are a *lot* of errors for monsters with rake.  Some examples:Dire Tiger -- Attack is full attack bonus - 1 (or -2 if weapon focus(claw) applies to the rake). Dire Tigers don't have multiattack.  Damage is as a front claw (including INA(claw)) + 1/2 strength.Tiger -- Attack is full attack bonus.  Damage is as a front claw (including INA(claw)) + 1/2 strength.Skum -- Attack is full attack bonus - 5 (front claws are secondary attacks, no multiattack).  Damage is more than a front claw (1d6 vs. 1d4) + 1/2 strength.Griffon -- Attack is full attack bonus - 2 (front claws are secondary attacks, Griffons do have multiattack).  Damage is more than a front claw (1d6 vs. 1d4) + 1/2 strength.Sahuagin -- Attack is full attack bonus - 2 (front claws are primary attacks, Sahuagin do have multiattack).  Damage is as a front claw + 1/2 strength.Fleshraker Dinosaur -- Attack is full attack bonus - 4 (front claws are primary attacks, no multiattack).  Damage is as a front claw (including INA(claw)) + some weird amount.  It's 1d6+2, and the Fleshraker's str bonus is +3.Cave Troll -- Attack is full attack bonus - 3 points of power attack.  Damage is as a claw + 1/2 strength + 3 points of power attack.Leonal -- Attack is full attack bonus.  Damage is as a front claw + full strength bonus.Annis -- Attack is full attack bonus.  Damage is as a front claw + full strength bonus.So usually the base damage is the same as a front claw, but not always (Skum and Griffon are exceptions).  Usually 1/2 strength is added to the base damage, but not always (Leonal, Annis, and Fleshraker are exceptions).  And the attack bonus is all over the place -- there are cases for full attack bonus, full - 1, full - 2, full - 4, and full - 5 just among these few examples.  I'd say the most common case is for the rake to have the same attack bonus as a front claw attack, but Dire Tiger, Fleshraker, and Sahuagin are exceptions to that.</blockquote>

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