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Are Rakes Secondary, Primary, or Both?
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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 3009987" data-attributes="member: 31734"><p>I really appreciate the legwork, guys. I had started some of it, but I had been typing up and working on so many stat blocks, I got tired of it quickly. I am just about finished (tomorrow prolly) with all the Summon Nature's Ally monsters plus all of them with Animal Growth effects (but not augmented summoning or anything else--as that should be easier to finagle on the fly).</p><p></p><p>Yeah, this has been done before by others (yours truly included), but these are all in the new MMIV format, 4/page, with languages, pictures, and even descriptions (height/weight if available). Er, anyone interested (zipped Word docs)? Just e-mail me. If you've received them before from me, I'll auto-resend to you. Warning: I have a couple of houserules in this, including some error corrections. I'm confident you could use them as is without breaking a game, but if you need them core, I don't think they would be <em>too</em> onerous to revise. They would be extremely useful as a starting place even then. I do explicitly mention the houserules in the docs. Heck, you might even adopt them yourself. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>Back to this topic, I think it would be best to go with the rule that rake attacks are secondary attacks and are treated as claws for purposes of feats. Thus, -5 (or -2) on attack and 1/2 damage. Having a majority of them be half damage is the only way that could be justified. Also, I think that whoever originally typed up the stats put the attack bonus in there for a rake attack in a grapple, because that is the default method to make a rake attack, and then forgot that secondary attacks get -5 even if they're the only attacks made that round. The rule that rakes don't get -4 in a grapple probably caused the brain fart.</p><p></p><p>Anyone strongly disagree with this "correction"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 3009987, member: 31734"] I really appreciate the legwork, guys. I had started some of it, but I had been typing up and working on so many stat blocks, I got tired of it quickly. I am just about finished (tomorrow prolly) with all the Summon Nature's Ally monsters plus all of them with Animal Growth effects (but not augmented summoning or anything else--as that should be easier to finagle on the fly). Yeah, this has been done before by others (yours truly included), but these are all in the new MMIV format, 4/page, with languages, pictures, and even descriptions (height/weight if available). Er, anyone interested (zipped Word docs)? Just e-mail me. If you've received them before from me, I'll auto-resend to you. Warning: I have a couple of houserules in this, including some error corrections. I'm confident you could use them as is without breaking a game, but if you need them core, I don't think they would be [I]too[/I] onerous to revise. They would be extremely useful as a starting place even then. I do explicitly mention the houserules in the docs. Heck, you might even adopt them yourself. ;) Back to this topic, I think it would be best to go with the rule that rake attacks are secondary attacks and are treated as claws for purposes of feats. Thus, -5 (or -2) on attack and 1/2 damage. Having a majority of them be half damage is the only way that could be justified. Also, I think that whoever originally typed up the stats put the attack bonus in there for a rake attack in a grapple, because that is the default method to make a rake attack, and then forgot that secondary attacks get -5 even if they're the only attacks made that round. The rule that rakes don't get -4 in a grapple probably caused the brain fart. Anyone strongly disagree with this "correction"? [/QUOTE]
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