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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8600336" data-attributes="member: 6802951">I've found Str to be useful in the "lifting and shifting" departments, but there are many ways of bypassing those, and the sort of physical obstacles where athletics is useful. Using rope and block & tackle, using a party mount, any Druid can shift into a form able to shift more weight than most fighters can, or simply having more party members join in.Dex is a major save, and has three times the skills associated with it. However the biggest factor is Initiative and ranged combat. Going before your opponent is always beneficial and is effectively getting an extra action in the combat. Outside of a few specific builds, damage in melee is pretty equivalent, but high Dex gives not only better damage, but also far superior range.The only thing that Dex loses out on is a single point of AC generally.</blockquote>