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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8600520" data-attributes="member: 82504">Seems extreme but 4e did a compromise that worked rather well includes number 5 but unlimited no tracking (*sounds extreme but isnt in practice) and number 2 exactly and something like 3 for ranged spells.Additionally 4e had other things that boosted melee (you do not have to make ranged as problematic if you buff melee). And some times it was in subtle ways (5e removed a lot of them). For instance a subtle one -- Everyone could charge so the melee combatants range of threat was double a normal 5e character and that includes monsters making them able to reach the ranged combat and ranged caster. And the single attack at the end often by high levels as player characters was much more potent. Also an opportunity attacks would likely be much much more nasty too at high level,, the fighters is likely more than a little badass with lots of effects that are not encounter/short rest limited, instead of the faded meager thing it is in 5e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8600520, member: 82504"] Seems extreme but 4e did a compromise that worked rather well includes number 5 but unlimited no tracking (*sounds extreme but isnt in practice) and number 2 exactly and something like 3 for ranged spells. Additionally 4e had other things that boosted melee (you do not have to make ranged as problematic if you buff melee). And some times it was in subtle ways (5e removed a lot of them). For instance a subtle one -- Everyone could charge so the melee combatants range of threat was double a normal 5e character and that includes monsters making them able to reach the ranged combat and ranged caster. And the single attack at the end often by high levels as player characters was much more potent. Also an opportunity attacks would likely be much much more nasty too at high level,, the fighters is likely more than a little badass with lots of effects that are not encounter/short rest limited, instead of the faded meager thing it is in 5e. [/QUOTE]

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