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<blockquote data-quote="Cruentus" data-source="post: 8704153" data-attributes="member: 7034645">My 5e group hated smaller engagement distances.&nbsp; They wanted all the time in the world to use long range spells and long range weapons to finish off the enemy before they ever got to melee range.&nbsp; Needless to say, they didn’t always get their way.&nbsp; They also hated it when I used goblins or orcs in an intelligent manner.&nbsp; “What do you mean the orc is holding his action until I pop up to shoot my bow, what is he, part of Orc Swat?”&nbsp; Or using cover, etc.&nbsp; It was fine for them to do it, but not for the enemy (after the enemy took several rounds of them doing the exact thing - popping up, shooting, ducking down. That being said, aside from magic, missile fire in combat was usually done in volleys.&nbsp; It was a tactic used against massed troops, not against individuals.&nbsp; Try hitting any of 5-6 people at 200 yards with a bow as they advance (or run toward you) - isn’t likely to happen.&nbsp; I’m fine (barely) with bows in closer quarters, but that’s largely driven by movies (looking at you Legolas), and tropes within fantasy gaming anyway.&nbsp; Rifles are intentionally accurate and able to hit things at range far more easily than bows ever did.&nbsp; Missile fire can be very good, but there is usually a trade off for it (melee isn’t so great).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cruentus, post: 8704153, member: 7034645"] My 5e group hated smaller engagement distances. They wanted all the time in the world to use long range spells and long range weapons to finish off the enemy before they ever got to melee range. Needless to say, they didn’t always get their way. They also hated it when I used goblins or orcs in an intelligent manner. “What do you mean the orc is holding his action until I pop up to shoot my bow, what is he, part of Orc Swat?” Or using cover, etc. It was fine for them to do it, but not for the enemy (after the enemy took several rounds of them doing the exact thing - popping up, shooting, ducking down. That being said, aside from magic, missile fire in combat was usually done in volleys. It was a tactic used against massed troops, not against individuals. Try hitting any of 5-6 people at 200 yards with a bow as they advance (or run toward you) - isn’t likely to happen. I’m fine (barely) with bows in closer quarters, but that’s largely driven by movies (looking at you Legolas), and tropes within fantasy gaming anyway. Rifles are intentionally accurate and able to hit things at range far more easily than bows ever did. Missile fire can be very good, but there is usually a trade off for it (melee isn’t so great). [/QUOTE]

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