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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4442141" data-attributes="member: 22779">It takes "deliberate effort" to take invisibility?  Arcane Eye?  Knock?I would argue that it takes "deliberate effort" to ignore elements that are clearly superior.This.Oh, come on.  Let's be serious.  It would cost the rogue far and away more to overshadow the wizard than the other way around.  Remember, the wizard can MAKE his own stuff, so he's getting everything half price.  And, later on, when those low level attack spells lose out to the high level ones, he can switch out his slots for those spells which overshadow the rogue.  You never heard this in 1e?  I suggest you go back and read Dragon.  Particularly some of the early issues.  Loads are Agony Aunt style letters in the Forum, across editions and across years.-------Funny.  According to this poll, by a margin of 3:1, people see a problem.  Not that the problem can't be overcome, not that a group can't work around it, just acknowledging that there is a problem.  Which is all that's being asked really.</blockquote>