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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 164107" data-attributes="member: 158">Sigma has a very valid point - there is no rule that specifically states that flying is silent. Furthermore (having just seen a special on the Long Range Reconnaisance Patrols - LRRP's - of the Vietnam War) being undetected is more than just not making noise when you walk - it's the sounds we all make when we move.Unless the wizard is dressed like a ninja and casts spells with no material components, he will likely have spell components, standard gear, weapons like staff and dagger, etc. on him. One thing the LRRP's said was the most dreadful was a metallic click, because there was nothing in nature that made a sound like that. There were also tells such as coughs, cigarette smoke, rustling leaves, etc. that made a difference. Even an invisible flier is going to make a lot of noise when he moves, especially to ANYTHING with an appreciable score in listen.There's also more to hiding than being invisible. While it's great camo, it doesn't mean that no one can tell when you are in the vicinity.If you want to scout, the goal is not that you don't want to be seen - the goal is that you don't want anyone to know you exist. Period.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henry, post: 164107, member: 158"] Sigma has a very valid point - there is no rule that specifically states that flying is silent. Furthermore (having just seen a special on the Long Range Reconnaisance Patrols - LRRP's - of the Vietnam War) being undetected is more than just not making noise when you walk - it's the sounds we all make when we move. Unless the wizard is dressed like a ninja and casts spells with no material components, he will likely have spell components, standard gear, weapons like staff and dagger, etc. on him. One thing the LRRP's said was the most dreadful was a metallic click, because there was nothing in nature that made a sound like that. There were also tells such as coughs, cigarette smoke, rustling leaves, etc. that made a difference. Even an invisible flier is going to make a lot of noise when he moves, especially to ANYTHING with an appreciable score in listen. There's also more to hiding than being invisible. While it's great camo, it doesn't mean that no one can tell when you are in the vicinity. If you want to scout, the goal is not that you don't want to be seen - the goal is that you don't want anyone to know you exist. Period. [/QUOTE]

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