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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Teflon Billy" data-source="post: 164136" data-attributes="member: 264">Re: Re: Are Rogues Useless?I've fought them plenty.Yup. But read my post above, I didn't say fighters were any better off than rogues. I said spellcasters.Can this rogue Tumble into midair and see invisible? Cause to my mind, a wizard of equivalent level is flying and invisible.Yep, that whole "Take a level of Ranger for the front load" plan tends to win alot of Kudos in my group<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Yup...notice about that I said that it all works fine if you have constant (4/day?) combat encounters. Dungeon crawls are dandy for a endless parade of targets. But I can't get enthused about P&P Diablo. I know this is a flaw in my personality, and not the game, but I did mention as much above.Unless he can do all of this into midair and can see invisible, then I think he's sunk. How would he do against a Stinking Cloud? Or web, or a few Magic Missiles cast from a wand that he can make in a day for the change in his pocket (should the spot roll be made)?I won't even bother to point out that the Wizard I'm describing is flying and invis. Take it as a given from now on i guess.I disagree. Not only are the PC's expected to find magic items, they can now create them (well, the spellcasters can). I don't think it's too far out of the realm of possibility to say that they might have a wand of fireballs or something similar.I'll repeat what I said above: it all owrks fine in a dungeon crawl in any other situation that involves less than near-constant combat, the Spellcasters outshine every other class after about level 7.</blockquote>

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