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<blockquote data-quote="Broken Fang" data-source="post: 164337" data-attributes="member: 3172">Some of these points may have been made but what the hey...I'll throw in my two cents since I like both the Rogue and Wizard classes.&nbsp; A Wizard can act as a Rogue...I've done it, at the same time in 3rd ed a Rogue can act like a Wizard...its called Use MAgic Device.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Everyone has said how these spells are all low level...guess what a Rogue can use a wand and cast from scrolls pretty darn easy!&nbsp; He can also do something a Wizard cannot do...cast HEALING spells from scrolls and wands!&nbsp; A Rogue can't make his own items but can cast 9th level Wizard or Cleric spells with a good chance at about 9th level.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; SPOT as a class skill...not many items add a bonus to your spot skill.&nbsp; I think they best I found was +5 eyes of the eagle (1k)...compare that to ring of the chameleon (12k) +15 to hide or cloak of elvenkind (3k) +10.&nbsp; That makes it really darn hard for any other class to see things out there..or hear them for the case of the invisible flying mage.&nbsp; The Wizard will have a darn hard time spotting the rogue who is hiding...not standing out in the middle of the room invisible.&nbsp; The Rogue, who has a scroll or wand of See Invisible (so he can fight those pesky invisible things), will have no problem spotting the Wizard.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Same goes with SEARCH and Open Locks...does your Wizard cast Knock on every door that doesn't just open?&nbsp; How does he know if it is trapped...sure isn't by using his skill.&nbsp; A Rogue lets you know if you need to bypass it with the use of magic.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Do they both have uses...yes.&nbsp; Can one emulate the other...yes.&nbsp; Is one better than the other...probably not, I alternate between them usually and have fun playing both.&nbsp; I think it, like most anything when it comes to D&amp;D, is do your players have fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Broken Fang, post: 164337, member: 3172"] Some of these points may have been made but what the hey...I'll throw in my two cents since I like both the Rogue and Wizard classes. A Wizard can act as a Rogue...I've done it, at the same time in 3rd ed a Rogue can act like a Wizard...its called Use MAgic Device. Everyone has said how these spells are all low level...guess what a Rogue can use a wand and cast from scrolls pretty darn easy! He can also do something a Wizard cannot do...cast HEALING spells from scrolls and wands! A Rogue can't make his own items but can cast 9th level Wizard or Cleric spells with a good chance at about 9th level. SPOT as a class skill...not many items add a bonus to your spot skill. I think they best I found was +5 eyes of the eagle (1k)...compare that to ring of the chameleon (12k) +15 to hide or cloak of elvenkind (3k) +10. That makes it really darn hard for any other class to see things out there..or hear them for the case of the invisible flying mage. The Wizard will have a darn hard time spotting the rogue who is hiding...not standing out in the middle of the room invisible. The Rogue, who has a scroll or wand of See Invisible (so he can fight those pesky invisible things), will have no problem spotting the Wizard. Same goes with SEARCH and Open Locks...does your Wizard cast Knock on every door that doesn't just open? How does he know if it is trapped...sure isn't by using his skill. A Rogue lets you know if you need to bypass it with the use of magic. Do they both have uses...yes. Can one emulate the other...yes. Is one better than the other...probably not, I alternate between them usually and have fun playing both. I think it, like most anything when it comes to D&D, is do your players have fun. [/QUOTE]

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