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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahrimon" data-source="post: 2237687" data-attributes="member: 12630">Crimson Manticor:Patryn of Elvenshae is correct.  I guess I titled my thread from a different point of view than the subject.  I'm sorry if that caused any confusion.Patryn pretty much hit the nail on the head.  I don't feel shifting is powerful, it's bonuses don't quite stack up to raging, but it doesn't have any of the drawbacks.  Like Patryn said, it like having a character concept built around using a longsword.  A longsword in and of itselft isn't very powerful, but there are some feats and prestige classes that I can use to make a longsword a very powerful weapon.  I have to focus my classes and feats around using a longsword and the end result is that a longsword is a devistating weapon in my hands.  The only problem is, I can only use my longsword twice per day.  The rest of the time I could use a shortsword, but the character concept is designed to use, and gains the most benefit from, a longsword.I'm going for a character that uses claws.  Starting with the shifters 1d4 I can get increases from Weretouched Master, Warshaper and Improved Natural Attack.  This puts me at 2d6 for each claw attack.  But it's only usable two, maybe three times per day.  The rest of the time I can use the Warshaper and INA for a 1d6 natural attack.  For a character that I'm trying to make into the primary melee damage dealer, 1d6 with the occasional 2d6 isn't that much.  And for some people, a couple of times per day may be more than enough.  Unfortunately the campaign I'm in is the Worlds Largest Dungeon.  Which means I can pretty much count on about six encounters per day.  I want to be at my best combat ability for as many of those encounters as possible.I'm guessing the designers expected characters to be more focused on thier class abilities and not design a character around thier racial abilities.Blargney the second:Talking to the DM is an idea, but for me it's the last resort.  She's new to the DM'ing chair, and for the most part I've been the DM up until now.  We are sticking to WotC matterial only so she doesn't get overwhelmed with all of the options we could throw at her.  Not that there isn't a pleathora of options in WotC books, but that's the line in the sand we chose as a group.  Personally I would feel, whether it's right or wrong, that I'm taking advantage of a new DM by asking for something that's not in the rules.Ahrimon</blockquote>

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