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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2273296" data-attributes="member: 2011">At low level, sure. A Druid is more potent than a Wizard or Sorcerer. And even at high level, a Druid can dish out more damage with melee attacks.But, at medium to high levels, Wizards and Sorcerers can fight without even being on the battlefield and Druids cannot match that (e.g. Fly with Greater Invisibility, or cast spells through a Projected Image, or Summon Creatures, or Dominate others, or create undead armies, etc., etc., etc.). Yes, a Druid can Summon Nature's Allies, but they tend to be no match for what a Wizard or Sorceer can summon/conjure/create.And, if you break the rules by allowing WildShaping that increases a Druid's size category to stack with Animal Growth that explicitly states that it does not allow that, then of course, your Druid will be able to dish out even more damage.This is semantics and a way for min/maxers and powergamers to try to get around the rules.It does not matter if your new form defaults to a different size. If a Polymorph spell or WildShape changes your size from Medium to Large, it is a magical effect that increased YOUR size. How it does it does not matter. It's magic.You cannot claim that it did not increase your size or more specifically according to the rules, your size category.Just look at what you wrote:"No where does it says you increase size therefore it is not qualify as a magical affect that increases size"Because the spell does not explicitly state that you increase size, you do not??? This is like saying that just because the spell did not explicitly state that your weight increased when you became a Dragon, that the rickety wooden bridge would still support your new weight.You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either your size category increased and you gained reach and got a -1 penalty per size increase to AC, etc., or it did not.You cannot pretend that your size category did not change and that it was not a magical effect that caused it.Except that it is not legal.You are pretending that your character did not change size category due to magic because the default size of the form he got changed into is different than his original form and now becomes his new default size.You are ignoring the fact that it was still magic that changed his size when he changed to the new form and that his size category actually does change.In location after location after location in the rules, it states:"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."It does not state: "Multiple magical effects that explicity state that they increase size do not stack."But, that is what you are attempting to change the rules to in order to get the result you want.Not if the Wizard has Dimension Door and a decent Concentration roll.</blockquote>

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