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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2276424" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Actually, it is totally cut and dried.</p><p></p><p>You do have a large Polar Bear. But, it is the same Halfling character who now has reach. He does not have the form of a Halfling, but he is still the same character. As such, there is no way you can argue that he did not gain size categories.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmm. A tough one to be sure (rules-wise).</p><p></p><p>If you cast Enlarge Person on the Halfling and he then Wild Shapes to the Polar Bear, what happens?</p><p></p><p>Does Enlarge Person on the Halfling stop functioning because he is no longer a person? Probably not since the rule on "characteristics of the spell cannot be made to conform" only applies when the spell is cast.</p><p></p><p>Or, is he unable to Wild Shape to a Polar Bear because it is Large and the Halfling is currently only Medium?</p><p></p><p>Or with your "the other effects of the spell should continue to function" idea, does he become a Medium Sized Polar Bear? In other words, he gains the form, but not the size.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In this case, how do you rule that "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack." unless you just flat out prevent the second Transmutation from working at all? The number of different ways to interpret this starts creeping up otherwise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2276424, member: 2011"] Actually, it is totally cut and dried. You do have a large Polar Bear. But, it is the same Halfling character who now has reach. He does not have the form of a Halfling, but he is still the same character. As such, there is no way you can argue that he did not gain size categories. Hmmm. A tough one to be sure (rules-wise). If you cast Enlarge Person on the Halfling and he then Wild Shapes to the Polar Bear, what happens? Does Enlarge Person on the Halfling stop functioning because he is no longer a person? Probably not since the rule on "characteristics of the spell cannot be made to conform" only applies when the spell is cast. Or, is he unable to Wild Shape to a Polar Bear because it is Large and the Halfling is currently only Medium? Or with your "the other effects of the spell should continue to function" idea, does he become a Medium Sized Polar Bear? In other words, he gains the form, but not the size. In this case, how do you rule that "Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack." unless you just flat out prevent the second Transmutation from working at all? The number of different ways to interpret this starts creeping up otherwise. [/QUOTE]
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