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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Diirk" data-source="post: 2276643" data-attributes="member: 14476">Diirk is no longer a medium sized human druid, he is now a large sized brown bear. However he is not enlarged... he is simply an ordinary brown bear. Now if he was a medium sized brown bear... well then he'd be under the effects of size altering magic.However I accept that I'll never convince you of this, as the wording in the RAW isn't precise on this subject, so we might as well drop it.Of course under your way of doing things, I guess druids can't Reduce Animal themselves either. Thats got to suck for those cramped dungeons. (compare a reduced dire wolf to a normal wolf.. just a tad difference, heh).Well, the shapechange isn't entirely irrelevant. If you were in a dragon form, you'd turn into a statue of a dragon, not a statue of a human... the spell is still there, it just doesn't matter that its there, as statues can't take free actions to change form. Which is directly the opposite of what you're suggesting, you're saying the animal growth should entirely go away because some of it doesn't work.It doesn't matter which trumps the other, the "One Effect Makes Another Irrelevant" rules is, frankly, irrelevant.</blockquote>