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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1275143" data-attributes="member: 3146">I think it goes hand in hand with their designation as ammunition. PH. 113. "Although they are thrown weapons, Shuriken are treated as ammunition for the purposes of drawing them..." This text is repeated on p. 121.So apparently there is something special about drawing ammunition that is different from drawing a thrown weapon. That makes the rest of the case more plausible.IMO The two leading candidates are "it's not a weapon so quickdraw can't ever apply" and "drawing ammunition is a free action." Balance considerations point towards the latter interpretation because shuriken don't need to be made any wimpier by prohibiting the use of full attack actions with them.For a bow, drawing arrows is unambiguously free.Crossbows require a move action to load. Note, however, that, although connected with drawing, loading is not the same thing. A character could have a bolt in one hand and a crossbow in the other. It still takes either the rapid reload feat or a move action to load the crossbow. Conversely, a character need not spend a move action to draw a bolt before he loads the crossbow. I think that much is clear.Now, let's take another section of the rules. Rapid Reload (P. 99). This reduces the time required to reload a crossbow to a free action (light or hand crossbow) or a move action (heavy crossbow).  With a light or hand crossbow, the character can make use of the full attack option as he could if he were using a normal bow.Now, breaking down that description, nowhere does it mention making drawing the bolt a free action. Were it a move action to retrieve a crossbow bolt, the character would not be able to make full attacks even if he had the rapid reload feat.One could also make a literal case that the "when using a bow...can draw ammunition as a free action" means that, as long as the monk is holding a bow he can draw as many shuriken as he wants. A better way of interpreting those words, however, is "When using a bow, a character can draw ammunition as a free action; [Even after drawing ammunition,] crossbows and slings [still] require an action for reloading."</blockquote>

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