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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4717894" data-attributes="member: 82106">I have no idea. PHB2 is not really relevant. I have not had a chance to read it yet, but all core mechanics are in PHB1, nothing in PHB2 is supposed to change them, except that one section at the very end where they apparently added some clarifications/errata. So I have no idea what PHB2 29 is talking about. All elves have a +2 SKILL bonus to perception. They also grant a +1 RACIAL bonus to perception for allies within 5 squares. The +2 skill bonus will stack with any other non-skill bonus, including a racial bonus. Thus 2 elves who are allies within 5 squares of each other get a +3 to perception. Level has nothing to do with it, and I don't know of anything in the PHB which indicates a paragon tier or other scaling perception bonus for elves.Your ASSUMING that certain bonuses are typed is just plain unjustified. The Racial Traits box specifies a number of bonuses for each race. Some of them are listed as racial bonuses, and some of them are not. The box on page 275 says also "a feat bonus is granted by a feat", so am I to interpret from that that ALL bonuses due to feats are typed feat bonuses, even though some feats rules text does not use the term 'feat bonus'? We KNOW that such an interpretation would be wrong, thus I submit that the same exact situation exists with racial traits. Some provide racial bonuses, some provide untyped bonuses. Each one explicitly specifies which type it is.The wording of rules text in 4e is very precise. It is intended to be interpreted to mean EXACTLY what it says. It isn't intended to be extrapolated. This is especially true of bonuses, the types are ALWAYS, without exception, carefully specified, or else they are untyped. English is an imperfectly precise language, and sometimes it admits of two interpretations, but the specific always overrules the general. The specific text of each racial trait overrules any other text that governs racial traits and their bonuses.Talk to CS about it, I can almost guarantee you that if you point out PHB 275 to them and ask this question you'll get the same answer as I have. Once I have my PHB2 I will be in a position to comment on what PHB2 29 means, but I can already confidently say that it doesn't change anything because PHB2 extends PHB1, it doesn't override it.</blockquote>

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