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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bolongo" data-source="post: 4718263" data-attributes="member: 67076">Some furious rationalization going on there. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />"Everything is core", remember? I don't think it's possible to say that rules in PH1 are more correct than anything published later. Your faith in the ability of D&D designers to choose the perfect wording for every rule is touching, but it doesn't seem to be justified by the evidence. There's plenty of errata that demonstrates their fallibility.Anyway, plugging your ears and singing loudly whenever anyone mentions the PH2 isn't going to get you far.What bonuses given by race could be considered untyped? The only ones not called out as racial are: all personal skill bonuses (the "auras" are all specified as racial), defense bonuses for Humans and Deva, speed bonus for Half-Orcs. You might see some kind of pattern here, but unfortunately it breaks down because Goliaths get a defense bonus that is called racial.Someone else mentioned feats that give racial bonuses - in fact there is only one singular instance of that so far: the Gnome feat quoted above. Basically, it just adds a new racial ability that for some reason not all Gnomes have. It isn't really relevant to the discussion.The Twilight Guardian thing is very relevant, however. It strongly implies that bonuses given by race are considered racial bonuses.In the end though, what does all this matter? The only time it comes into play is situations like when a Half-Elf is near another Half-Elf. It's a question of a +1, at the very most a +2, to a skill roll. As a DM I would rule that they don't stack, but if someone added it anyway in the heat of the moment I'd let it slide.</blockquote>

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