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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4718356" data-attributes="member: 82106">Whatever. It is pointless to debate what is 'core' and what is 'not core', it is irrelevant. PHB1 stands alone. One does not require PHB2 to be playing 4e by the official rules. That is ALL one needs to know to know that PHB2 does not override PHB1! If it did then you would HAVE to have a PHB2 to be playing 4e RAW. The two books stand equally as 4e rule books. Thus if there is a genuine conflict between what is in PHB1 and what is in PHB2 then it IS AN ERROR in the rules, just as it would be if either of them conflicted with the DMG! How that error should be dealt with would be up to the DM until such time as WotC issues an errata which fixes the conflict. Any such adjudication IS by definition then a house rule. There is no rationalization in that at all.Even the final section of PHB2 is nothing more than a recapitulation of  existing PHB1 errata, verbatim.What makes you so need to see a pattern? There need not BE any pattern. WotC made some bonuses typed and some untyped. They write the rules, they can do whatever they want. Skill bonuses are, AFAICT untyped bonuses. Perhaps they are 'skill bonuses', it is largely academic. Race defense bonuses likewise appear to be untyped, but again it is basically academic.Implication is irrelevant. If it explicitly says something different from what is in PHB1 then 2 official rules conflict, and that is a rules error, any DM adjudication of which is not RAW. If it doesn't explicitly say something different from PHB1 then it is a specific instance of a rule overriding a general rule, and it has no bearing on other general rules. That is the way RAW works.I totally agree with that. I cannot so far think of any time it would matter. Now, if some feat gave a racial bonus of say +2 FORT to a human, I would have to rule that it stacks with the existing +1 FORT bonus humans get because that one is untyped. I would consider that RAW, but we are really arguing over basically nothing at this point <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I only bothered to post this really to clarify the relationship between PHB1 and 2, PHB2 does not override PHB1. They SHOULD never conflict.</blockquote>

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