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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 346017" data-attributes="member: 2950">So you find everything hidden...if it was impossible to find before, it was the same as not existing. I don't see the point in placing things that cannot be found unless I thought at some later date when they had a search bonus item they would come back and take a second look. Is it so bad to jusify the rogue's existence by allowing him to find and disarm a bunch of traps that he can point to and say he contributed something?Pick locks allows some conserving of knock spells or gives the Barbarian a rest from destroying all the doors.Neverwinter nights gives some insight into the value of skills and the meaning of bonuses. Sometimes if you can see a trap, you don't need to disarm it. Sometimes you need to disarm it but you can't and just suck up the damage. If you can't unlock it, you can always destroy it given enough time. It converts game time to real time so speedy resolution is more of a tangible benefit but with enough time (going and hiring the thief and bringing him with you) anything can be overcome.You are reducing the damage you take from traps but increasing the damage you take from monsters. There is a balance to everything and depending on the ratio of traps vs monsters lies the answer to the greater benefit. Maybe just the existence of less traps is a benefit since you would have found them anyway. Its a sort of metagaming at that point.Having a +1 weapon allows your fighter to kill those things with +1 DR. His items allow him to better do his job and your items help you do yours. As your items get better you can find what you are looking for with progressively less time. Instead of spending 2 hours searching a room, you can do it in 6 minutes with the same results. Spending forever searching everything strains credibility but without the bonus that is what ends up happening.On another note:The shot/hide thing doesn't mean that someone has "no idea" where an attack came from. It means they cannot directly target you and have only a vague idea. If you shoot from the same spot and they are actively searching for you then they will have a better than vague idea and immediately rain fiery death upon your general vicinity. If no fiery death is available, faery fire will do in a pinch. Lastly:I don't think dragons can be hidden from and have unearthly spot scores even if they could. They have blindsight that extends staggering distances.</blockquote>

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