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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Johno" data-source="post: 346625" data-attributes="member: 4388">My present complaint about the skill items are two-fold:1. The non-Epic cap placed at +30. I have only be able to find one item in the core rules that grants +30, the ring of jump. But the jump skill is a bit special. All the other skill items I found in the DMG capped at 15. I found something in the PsiHb which was at +20. But +15 appears to be a more appropriate "cap", given the precedence in the DMG.A +30 item grants a bonus equivalent to what a 27th level character has accumulated in ranks.2. The price. Bonus^2 * 20 gp.It is rediculously low. A +10 item costs 2,000 gp. A teen-level character can afford a dozen for only what amounts to loose change.This cheapens one of the main benefits of the rogue player. It also means that the ONLY reason to take ranks in a skill, aside from the DM robbing the players blind, is to qualify for a PrC.As a side note there are few spells in the PHB that grant bonuses to specific skills. Alter Self, Change Self, Animate Rope, Veil, Shapechange...and Jump.Those spells grant +10 at most (apart from Jump). I believe this was on purpose. The purpose being NOT to cheapen the gaming experience for the rogue player. There are other spells that grant a very low bonus to many skills, for a short period of time.If your players are only using one or two item-skill-boosters each, you probably won't notice any problem. The problem arises when a player decides to place a moderate investment in these very cheap articles, and amasses a large number of them. Probably won't even come up in many games. But I'd rather prempt it in my game.  YMMV</blockquote>

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