Are Slaad immune to Dictum???

[der_kluge]

Dictum
Evocation [Lawful, Sonic]

Slaad
Immunity to Sonic

Immune??

Discuss.

 

[Trainz]

Yes.

End of discussion.

 

[Anabstercorian]

No. Immunity to Sonic implies immunity to Sonic Damage, not simple immunity to all sonic effects.

I think.

 

[der_kluge]

Hmm. Any other takers? So far we have a disagreement. This could get interesting.

Where's Hypersmurf when you need him?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Where's Hypersmurf when you need him?

At work, and Slaadi aren't in the SRD.

-Hyp.

 

[shilsen]

No. Immunity to Sonic implies immunity to Sonic Damage, not simple immunity to all sonic effects.

I think.

You are correct. It doesn't just imply immunity to sonic damage, but specifically says so (3.5 MM, pg. 228).

So slaad can be affected by a Dictum.

So Trainz is wrong, but prophetic - now it's the end of the discussion

 

[Xagunder MacFaileas]

I agree that the sonic immunity is only in regards to damage, as every other resistance and immunity is only for damage. Otherwise, they can't make Listen checks either, as they would be "immune" to the noises around them.

 

[der_kluge]

For reference. This is non-SRD, compatible. So, don't distribute!

Red Slaad
	Large Outsider (Chaotic, Extraplanar)
Hit Dice:	7d8+21 (52 hp)
Initiative:	+2
Speed:	30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class:	19 (-1 size, +2 Dex, +8 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 17
Base Attack/Grapple:	+7/+16
Attack:	Bite +11 melee (2d8+5)
Full Attack:	Bite +11 melee (2d8+5) and 2 claws +9 melee (1d4+2 plus implant)
Space/Reach:	10 ft./10 ft.
Special Attacks:	Pounce, implant, stunning croak, summon slaad
Special Qualities:	Darkvision 60 ft., fast healing 5, immunity to sonic, 
resistance to acid 5, cold 5, resistance to acid 5, cold 5, electricity 5, and fire 5
Saves:	Fort +8, Ref +7, Will +3
Abilities:	Str 21, Dex 15, Con 17, Int 6, Wis 6, Cha 8
Skills:	Climb +15, hide +8, Jump +15, Listen +8, Move Silently +12, Spot +8
Feats:	Dodge, Mobility, Multiattack
Challenge Rating:	7
Alignment:	Usually chaotic neutral
Pounce (Ex):	If a red slaad charges, it can make a full attack in the same round.
Implant (Ex):	A red slaad that hits with a claw attack can inject an egg 
pellet into the opponent’s body.  The affected creature must succeed on a DC 
16 Fortitude save to avoid implantation.
Often the slaad implants an unconscious or otherwise helpless creature (which
 gets no saving throw).  The egg gestates for one week before hatching into a 
blue slaad that eats its way out, killing the host.  Twenty-four hours before the
 egg fully matures, the victim falls extremely ill (-10 to all ability scores, to a 
minimum of 1).  A remove disease spell rids a victim of the pellet, as does a DC 
25 Heal check.  If the check fails, the healer can try again, but each attempt 
(successful or not) deals 1d4 points of damage to the patient.
Stunning Croak (Su):	Once per day a red slaad can emit a loud croak.  
Every creature (except slaad) within 20 feet must succeed on a DC 16 Fortitude 
save or be stunned for 1d3 round.
Summon Slaad (Sp):	Once per day, a red slaad can attempt to summon 
another red slaad with a 40% chance of success.  This ability is the equivalent 
of a 3rd level spell.

Dictum
Evocation [Lawful, Sonic]
Level: Clr 7, Law 7
Components: V
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: 40 ft.
Area: Nonlawful creatures in a 40-ft.-radius spread centered on you
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None or Will negates; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes
Any nonlawful creature within the area of a dictum spell suffers the following ill
 effects.
HD	Effect
Equal to caster level	Deafened
Up to caster level –1	Slowed, deafened
Up to caster level –5	Paralyzed, slowed, deafened
Up to caster level –10	Killed, paralyzed, slowed, deafened
The effects are cumulative and concurrent. No saving throw is allowed against 
these effects.
Deafened: The creature is deafened for 1d4 rounds.
Slowed: The creature is slowed, as by the slow spell, for 2d4 rounds.
Paralyzed: The creature is paralyzed and helpless for 1d10 minutes.
Killed: Living creatures die. Undead creatures are destroyed.
Furthermore, if you are on your home plane when you cast this spell, nonlawful 
extraplanar creatures within the area are instantly banished back to their home 
planes. Creatures so banished cannot return for at least 24 hours. This effect 
takes place regardless of whether the creatures hear the dictum. The 
banishment effect allows a Will save (at a –4 penalty) to negate.
Creatures whose HD exceed your caster level are unaffected by dictum.

 

[Trainz]

You are correct. It doesn't just imply immunity to sonic damage, but specifically says so (3.5 MM, pg. 228).

So slaad can be affected by a Dictum.

So Trainz is wrong, but prophetic - now it's the end of the discussion

After reading the MM. p. 228, I stand corrected. It does specify sonic damage, which implies what it does.

Me ? A prophet ? Now you're just teasing me...

 

[der_kluge]

That makes sense.