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<blockquote data-quote="spectacle" data-source="post: 6800331" data-attributes="member: 6780410">A 6th level fighter will typically have 20 STR and proficiency in athletics, for a total of +8 to &quot;grapple checks&quot;, while the troll has 18 STR and no proficiency, so it only has +4. That means the fighter has a 66% chance to win a grapple contest. But he has extra attack so he can try twice, giving him a 89,11% chance of sucessfully grappling the troll on his turn, and a&nbsp; 43,56 chance of both grappling and shoving the troll prone on his turn, rendering it nearly impotent. By the rules Multiattack does not let you substitute attacks with grapple attempts, only Extra Attack allows that. So by the rules the troll can only make one grapple attempt, and it is very likely to lose if it tries. Even if you do rule that the troll can grapple multiple times it doesn't really matter if it successfully grapples the fighter, he mainly wants to keep the troll stationary so that it can't attack the squishier party members. If the troll wants to break out of the grapple it has to spend its action to do so, so it can't attack any other party members the same turn. Before it can act again the fighter has another turn and another 89% chance to grapple it, while the rest of the party gets another round of attacks off.Grappling really is amazingly strong vs single monsters that are smaller than huge, since few monster have any athletics proficiency. You can of course houserule to nerf grappling if you think it's too powerful, or just find it silly that humans can easily wrestle big monsters like trolls and ogres. I'm pretty sure it is intentional that Multiattack does not allow for multiple grapple attemtps, since it would make swarms of weak monsters with Multiattack a much bigger threat than if they use their listed attacks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="spectacle, post: 6800331, member: 6780410"] A 6th level fighter will typically have 20 STR and proficiency in athletics, for a total of +8 to "grapple checks", while the troll has 18 STR and no proficiency, so it only has +4. That means the fighter has a 66% chance to win a grapple contest. But he has extra attack so he can try twice, giving him a 89,11% chance of sucessfully grappling the troll on his turn, and a 43,56 chance of both grappling and shoving the troll prone on his turn, rendering it nearly impotent. By the rules Multiattack does not let you substitute attacks with grapple attempts, only Extra Attack allows that. So by the rules the troll can only make one grapple attempt, and it is very likely to lose if it tries. Even if you do rule that the troll can grapple multiple times it doesn't really matter if it successfully grapples the fighter, he mainly wants to keep the troll stationary so that it can't attack the squishier party members. If the troll wants to break out of the grapple it has to spend its action to do so, so it can't attack any other party members the same turn. Before it can act again the fighter has another turn and another 89% chance to grapple it, while the rest of the party gets another round of attacks off. Grappling really is amazingly strong vs single monsters that are smaller than huge, since few monster have any athletics proficiency. You can of course houserule to nerf grappling if you think it's too powerful, or just find it silly that humans can easily wrestle big monsters like trolls and ogres. I'm pretty sure it is intentional that Multiattack does not allow for multiple grapple attemtps, since it would make swarms of weak monsters with Multiattack a much bigger threat than if they use their listed attacks. [/QUOTE]

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