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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wiseblood" data-source="post: 7212662" data-attributes="member: 42437">Solo monsters are not tough. They are almost tough. They suffer from the undivided attention of PC's. Legendary resistance or great saves push PC's towards direct damage spells. HP are too low to be dealing with that. My party is 3 characters strong and would annihilate a Vampire at 8th level. Fighter, Assassin, Cleric.I would give him 1.5 rounds barring bad rolls in which case 3 rounds absolute max. PC's would take maybe 40 points of damage total. not even enough to make them worry. If he used Children of the Night in Round 1 He would die before reinforcements came and inflict maybe 17 points of damage. It's not a battle it's an exercise minus sweat.It could be a better battle but the Vampire would need allies. (and probably early warning and guaranteed initiative) Solo monster needing allies seems oxymoronic to me.Imagine a group of 6 Goblin Bosses. Total HP 126. Fireball could take them all out. But you would need 6 attacks to kill them all if you couldn't AOE them. They can grant advantage by ganging up properly to inflict damage. But if you hit one for say 10,000 damage you still have to inflict 105 points of damage. So the maximum damage inflicted is 21 stretching out the number of attacks needed. 10,000 points of damage on the Vampire and the fight ends follow the cloud to the coffin Stake and Bake.For Solo monsters to work IMO They need;To model a group but not a swarm all by themselves. Like extra actions that are almost too good not a shadow of their regular actions.A bunch of HP.A damage cap for hits? or retribution like acidic blood sprays on anyone doing more than 15 points of damage in a round.A Multi-stage combat (beginning middle and end) where players can see progress Like bloodied condition triggering a drawing down of enemy abilities or backlashes like second wind or retaliationSpecial ways to deal with magic moreso than decide to save instead of fail ( I imagine multiple saves for a condition each failure worsens the condition) So it's not either/or but something in between.But I digress, I just use groups.</blockquote>

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