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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7214276" data-attributes="member: 83242">Yes, personally I think taking on something 5+ CR more than your party average should be deadly.&nbsp; So I try to increase damage so that creatures below that threshold are challenge, but not deadly.&nbsp; I would like to broaden that line between meh and uber deadly.Agree, that is why my hardcore monsters add HP at higher CRsI agree with this too.&nbsp; I typically give my legendary style monsters proficiency in 4-5 stats, but perhaps I should look at 1/2 proficiency.&nbsp; I agree about legendary resistance (maybe for true gods it is OK), that is why I've replaced it completely in my latest legendary designs.I don't necessarily disagree with offense being 3rd, but I have already come up with workable solutions (IMO) for the first two.&nbsp; That is why I keep harping on the damage <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I don't completely agree with that statement, despite having a personal project to provide tougher monsters and generally agreeing with you assessment.I still think the MM monsters are absolutely fine for a certain group of players.&nbsp; Like I said before, for the group I was DMing (we are on indefinite hold now) it worked just fine.&nbsp; I could challenge them with them as is.&nbsp; What kinda of group does this fit?&nbsp; I think to broad categories generally fall into this category:1) Basic D&amp;D: no feats, no multiclassing, few to no +weapons and armor2) Non-optimizers / power gamers (like my group):&nbsp; they do not build there characters for best damage and do not generally strategize or use tactics of any short.I know from experience that group 2 (even with feats and multiclassing, but low magic items) can be challenged with MM as is.&nbsp; The fights you challenge your group with would be TPKs for my group.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 7214276, member: 83242"] Yes, personally I think taking on something 5+ CR more than your party average should be deadly. So I try to increase damage so that creatures below that threshold are challenge, but not deadly. I would like to broaden that line between meh and uber deadly. Agree, that is why my hardcore monsters add HP at higher CRs I agree with this too. I typically give my legendary style monsters proficiency in 4-5 stats, but perhaps I should look at 1/2 proficiency. I agree about legendary resistance (maybe for true gods it is OK), that is why I've replaced it completely in my latest legendary designs. I don't necessarily disagree with offense being 3rd, but I have already come up with workable solutions (IMO) for the first two. That is why I keep harping on the damage ;) I don't completely agree with that statement, despite having a personal project to provide tougher monsters and generally agreeing with you assessment. I still think the MM monsters are absolutely fine for a certain group of players. Like I said before, for the group I was DMing (we are on indefinite hold now) it worked just fine. I could challenge them with them as is. What kinda of group does this fit? I think to broad categories generally fall into this category: 1) Basic D&D: no feats, no multiclassing, few to no +weapons and armor 2) Non-optimizers / power gamers (like my group): they do not build there characters for best damage and do not generally strategize or use tactics of any short. I know from experience that group 2 (even with feats and multiclassing, but low magic items) can be challenged with MM as is. The fights you challenge your group with would be TPKs for my group. [/QUOTE]

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