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<blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 536807" data-attributes="member: 78">Since a character's spellcasting stat increases both spell DCs and adds lots of bonus spells, primary spellcasters are definitely going to be boosting it.&nbsp; A stat of 30 is perfectly reasonable, it only requires a 16 starting stat and 3 of the level based increases.&nbsp; With 720 000 GP, I can't see many wizards or sorcerers not investing in their primary stat - it's not as if they need crazily powerful magic weapons or armor.&nbsp; Also, I think a 50/50 save ratio for PCs is unacceptable in most cases.&nbsp; Failed save = character death.&nbsp; PC saves are gong to be anything but typical, because most players will attempt to avoid character death.&nbsp; For example, my brother tends to make Cloaks of Resistance his character's biggest item, at least until it becomes maxed out.Sure, if you want, super high save DCs are possible.&nbsp; But you have to work at them, burning lots of feats, and taking prestige classes, just like characters have to work to get stronger saves - for example, taking Iron Will or getting a Periapt of Wisdom to go along with the mandatory cloak of resistance.&nbsp; Such a massive boost to DCs shouldn't be free.And casters are supposed to aim at weak saves anyway.&nbsp; When you can reliably charm clerics of equal level, something is wron.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Victim, post: 536807, member: 78"] Since a character's spellcasting stat increases both spell DCs and adds lots of bonus spells, primary spellcasters are definitely going to be boosting it. A stat of 30 is perfectly reasonable, it only requires a 16 starting stat and 3 of the level based increases. With 720 000 GP, I can't see many wizards or sorcerers not investing in their primary stat - it's not as if they need crazily powerful magic weapons or armor. Also, I think a 50/50 save ratio for PCs is unacceptable in most cases. Failed save = character death. PC saves are gong to be anything but typical, because most players will attempt to avoid character death. For example, my brother tends to make Cloaks of Resistance his character's biggest item, at least until it becomes maxed out. Sure, if you want, super high save DCs are possible. But you have to work at them, burning lots of feats, and taking prestige classes, just like characters have to work to get stronger saves - for example, taking Iron Will or getting a Periapt of Wisdom to go along with the mandatory cloak of resistance. Such a massive boost to DCs shouldn't be free. And casters are supposed to aim at weak saves anyway. When you can reliably charm clerics of equal level, something is wron. [/QUOTE]

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