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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 537462" data-attributes="member: 6875">IMO, even that is a (tad) excessive.  I should think the level-increases for attributes would be best spread around a bit.  Touch of Dexterity here, a point of Constitution there, and so on.Any character who, having a single attribute as their primary stat, focusses solely (note I said solely, not primarily) on that stat as they gain levels, is min/maxxing already.  I would expect 3 points to be added to intelligence in a balanced character, really.  Maybe 4.Note, I said the AVERAGE across all saves.  For the strong save, it should fall to roughly 25% chance of failure, for the weak save, 75% chance of failure.No attribute-ups from levels?  None from a book or bought/earned wishes?  I think we can do better than a 20 Con.  Let's call it 24 ... +1 from levelling and the same +3 book the wizard got.Only +3?  Try +5.  Only 25K, literally chump change to a 20th level character.+8/base, +5/cloak, +7/Constitution.  Without class or feat bonusses, that's a +20.  IOW, "only fails on a 1" versis your Disintegrate's DC of 21 ... and that's not a exactly a LOW level spell, either.Really, you should get better than 50-50, against their "weak" saves.Let's look at this from the wiard's point of view: why risk a save at all, if you're most likely NOT going to see the save failed?  You already GET precious few spells per day at any given spell-level ...Spells should, on the whole of it, work somewhat more often than they don't.  They -- unlike sword swings, for contrast -- are a limited-per-day commodity.  Wizards need to carefully choose when and where to cast their spells; to face the very real possibility (IMO, likelihood) of the spell simply doing nothing (or next to it), can be most disheartening to a wizard.And people wonder why spellcasters prefer to use buffs ... ?  I'll tell you why: buffs don't give the other side a saving throw to negate or halve them!For either side, so we will count them somewhat even.  After all, I could scream "forsaker! forsaker! forsaker!" at you.Nor races; it's easier to get a Con or Desxterity bonus, than an Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma bonus.  IOW, it's easier to have a slightly higher save attribute, excepting Will saves, than it is to have a higher casting attribute, excepting some flavors of psionics.</blockquote>

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