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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 539607" data-attributes="member: 6875">Dunno.  Shall we find out?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />The +3 book isn't the excessive bit I objected to before, actually.  And as for both, I mean, both the stat increase AND the spell.  The two would stack, after all.I find that (IMO) escessive focus on a 1D/2D definition of your character, leads to 2D-ness.I never said it did.  However, having a 24 Intelligence, and 6 points distributed (by various means) among your OTHER stats, does make your character's abilities more well-rounded ... skillwise AND by other means.Okay, let's stop talking wizards for a moment, and talk Sorcerors, Clerics, Druids, Bards, and so on.  Upping THEIR spellcasting stat does nothing for skills or diversity, now does it?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The character before my current one (a cleric).  Necromancer/Loremaster (LN, actually).  Quite a fun idea -- went for a 16 CON, that and Vampiric Touch made him quite dangerous at melee range.  Of course, he was a shrieks-like-a-little-girl COWARD, and ... shall we say ... fond of his food and drink.  Picture a tough guy, who's also a "sissy" uber-fat man.  Heh.Versatility of spell selection does not make the wizard well-rounded.What if he finds himself (to borrow briefly from the FR) stuck in a Dead Magic zone?  Where do all those bonus spells get him?Nowhere.He can be LIKE a diplomat or spy.  As a spy, however ... radiating magic wouldn't be the best idea, now, would it?*snip further examples of how spells can help a wizard do things*What can the wizard do if spellcasting is, for whatever reason, not an option?  If the wizard must use spells to achieve an end, that to me is pretty one- or two-dimensional.Regardles of how well-rounded the Wizard's spellbook is, how well-rounded is the Wizard ... ?Okay, I probably mixed the sword names up.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  However ... use your very logic WRT attributes, on feats now: why divert a feat or skill point to something else, when it oculd be used to MUCH better effect enhancing the Wizard's spellcasting ability?Answer: only for diversity in character ability ... same as with attribute increases.You will note, I did state I expect a wizard to spend 3, perhaps 4, points on intelligence period; it is a PRIORITY.I think attribute-adds on a single stat, to the exclusion fo all other options, is a bit two-dimensional.  Alone it doesn't make the wizard such, but combined with feats chosen in similar manner, it can and does.I don't think diverting a couple points from a spellcasting stat, to another stat, will make you fall that far below the power curve.  Nor diverting a few feats (or all of them).Until an NPC thief steals the Wizard's spellbook(s).  *poof* no more repertoire (at least, for a while).</blockquote>

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