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<blockquote data-quote="gfunk" data-source="post: 457491" data-attributes="member: 1813"><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Using spells from WOTC sources only (except FR, because we all know that every one of them would make this list anyway)</strong></p><p><strong>Most powerful/popular spells and any relevant house rules:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>1st</strong></p><p><strong>1. Magic Missile -- only a real problem if you can cast it many times a round (at high levels, haste, quickened, etc. or Spellweaver from MM2).</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. Identify -- we house-ruled this to identify every property of a magic item and tossed Analyze Dweomer.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2nd</strong></p><p><strong>1. Invisibility -- many DMs seem to have a hard time handling this</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. False Life -- stacks with Endurance ('nuff said)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>3rd</strong></p><p><strong>1. Haste -- very powerful spell; can be quickened at high levels; AC bonus stacks with everything</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. Fireball/L.Bolt -- with the appropriate metamagic feats (Empower, Energy Substitution, Sculpt) it will be the only damaging spell you'll ever need</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>4th</strong></p><p><strong>1. Polymorph Other -- as written, a ridiculously overpowered spell even with the errata; after my PC kept turning the party into Trolls my DM banned this spell. Sure the DM can do what the PCs do, but who the hell wants to fight trolls, stone giants, and annis hags all the time?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. Improved Invisibility -- see Invisibility</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>5th</strong></p><p><strong>1. Ghostform -- possibly the most broken spell ever published by a WOTC source. My PC became unkillable with this spell and it was sapping the fun out of the game so we banned it.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. Wall of Force -- ambiguous description can cause problems. No save means you can put up a hemispherical wall around foes without problem?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>6th</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>No problems here</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>7th</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>1. Simulacrum -- what the hell were they smoking when they made this spell? Lawyers could have a field day with this one.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>8th</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>No problems here</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>9th</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>1. Gate -- who wouldn't take this spell w/o house-rules?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. Time Stop -- see Gate.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>3. Shapechange -- see Gate.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>4. Hide Life -- spell description should read as follows:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>For 5000 xp, you become immune to everything with the following exceptions:</strong></p><p><strong>1) Sphere of Annihilation</strong></p><p><strong>2) Imprisonment spell</strong></p><p><strong>3) Temporal Stasis spell</strong></p><p><strong>4) Trap the Soul spell</strong></p><p><strong>5) Petrification</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gfunk, post: 457491, member: 1813"] [B] Using spells from WOTC sources only (except FR, because we all know that every one of them would make this list anyway) Most powerful/popular spells and any relevant house rules: 1st 1. Magic Missile -- only a real problem if you can cast it many times a round (at high levels, haste, quickened, etc. or Spellweaver from MM2). 2. Identify -- we house-ruled this to identify every property of a magic item and tossed Analyze Dweomer. 2nd 1. Invisibility -- many DMs seem to have a hard time handling this 2. False Life -- stacks with Endurance ('nuff said) 3rd 1. Haste -- very powerful spell; can be quickened at high levels; AC bonus stacks with everything 2. Fireball/L.Bolt -- with the appropriate metamagic feats (Empower, Energy Substitution, Sculpt) it will be the only damaging spell you'll ever need 4th 1. Polymorph Other -- as written, a ridiculously overpowered spell even with the errata; after my PC kept turning the party into Trolls my DM banned this spell. Sure the DM can do what the PCs do, but who the hell wants to fight trolls, stone giants, and annis hags all the time? 2. Improved Invisibility -- see Invisibility 5th 1. Ghostform -- possibly the most broken spell ever published by a WOTC source. My PC became unkillable with this spell and it was sapping the fun out of the game so we banned it. 2. Wall of Force -- ambiguous description can cause problems. No save means you can put up a hemispherical wall around foes without problem? 6th No problems here 7th 1. Simulacrum -- what the hell were they smoking when they made this spell? Lawyers could have a field day with this one. 8th No problems here 9th 1. Gate -- who wouldn't take this spell w/o house-rules? 2. Time Stop -- see Gate. 3. Shapechange -- see Gate. 4. Hide Life -- spell description should read as follows: For 5000 xp, you become immune to everything with the following exceptions: 1) Sphere of Annihilation 2) Imprisonment spell 3) Temporal Stasis spell 4) Trap the Soul spell 5) Petrification[/b] [/QUOTE]
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