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Are Spells Balanced by Level?
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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 459508" data-attributes="member: 151"><p><strong>Re: Re: Re: Are Spells Balanced by Level?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So noted.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Look at it this way: in a dungeon, I have twelve combat encounters, two trapped corridors, three locked chests, one wounded captive and a few role-playing encounters. In normal, by the book D&D, the combat encounters will be the centerpieces of the dungeon. They don't have to be, it's true. But these two spells are combat spells in a combat focused game. Unseen Servant and Animate Rope simply aren't going to have as much application, and will be learned, memorized and prepared less often. Secret Page and Illusory Script aren't bad spells....they're just not as useful as Fireball. Mind you, they ain't great spells, either.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Not necessarily more powerful...more useful within the context of a standard D&D game. Fly, Gaseous Form, Leomund's Tiny Hut and Slow are fantastic spells, for example. But Gentle Repose is an example of cross-class enforcement, right or wrong...frankly a wizard shouldn't even get it, IMHO. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you give as well as take, then I don't see a problem. However, consider this: Bestow Curse is a powerful spell: why isn't is used more? Because mages and clerics don't tend to want to draw targets on themselves. Touch attack spells are difficult to execute without getting pasted, and they still offer a save at those levels...Bestow Curse will still not be favored, because the same inherent weakness of the spell (the vulnerability offered to the user) makes it extremely unattractive to use against the opponents where it would do the most good.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying not to modify the spells, just to consider that there are more than just one reason why the spell isn't popular. Unless you change the way Fireball actually works, it will continue to be a preferential spell. Make magic missle a 2nd level spell, though, and you've really castrated the poor wizard and sorceror for a few levels, IMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 459508, member: 151"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Are Spells Balanced by Level?[/b] [B][/b] So noted. [b][/b] Look at it this way: in a dungeon, I have twelve combat encounters, two trapped corridors, three locked chests, one wounded captive and a few role-playing encounters. In normal, by the book D&D, the combat encounters will be the centerpieces of the dungeon. They don't have to be, it's true. But these two spells are combat spells in a combat focused game. Unseen Servant and Animate Rope simply aren't going to have as much application, and will be learned, memorized and prepared less often. Secret Page and Illusory Script aren't bad spells....they're just not as useful as Fireball. Mind you, they ain't great spells, either. [b][/b] Not necessarily more powerful...more useful within the context of a standard D&D game. Fly, Gaseous Form, Leomund's Tiny Hut and Slow are fantastic spells, for example. But Gentle Repose is an example of cross-class enforcement, right or wrong...frankly a wizard shouldn't even get it, IMHO. If you give as well as take, then I don't see a problem. However, consider this: Bestow Curse is a powerful spell: why isn't is used more? Because mages and clerics don't tend to want to draw targets on themselves. Touch attack spells are difficult to execute without getting pasted, and they still offer a save at those levels...Bestow Curse will still not be favored, because the same inherent weakness of the spell (the vulnerability offered to the user) makes it extremely unattractive to use against the opponents where it would do the most good. I'm not saying not to modify the spells, just to consider that there are more than just one reason why the spell isn't popular. Unless you change the way Fireball actually works, it will continue to be a preferential spell. Make magic missle a 2nd level spell, though, and you've really castrated the poor wizard and sorceror for a few levels, IMHO. [/QUOTE]
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