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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ergeheilalt" data-source="post: 476216" data-attributes="member: 3460">Wizards Are Made for MagicBy far, my favorite class is the wizard. They are magic wielding demolitionists. That is the quintessential wizard. This is not to say that pacifist wizards do not exist, or that all wizards have fireball in their every day spell repertoire; but this is what wizards have come to be, the high powered arsenal of firepower other classes lack.Comparing Magic Missile to Acid Arrow is a little off balance in my opinion. Magic Missile is far the superior with the capability to hit all the time, but the catch is in the small amount of damage dealt to the baddie (topping out at  5d4+5). Acid Arrow deals more damage (2d4) and can last more rounds (1 for every 3 levels). The difference is not great and that is why they are only separated by one level. So when you look at it, an 18th level wizard casting the spells shows up with a spell that can deal 5d4+5 damage or 12d4 ... seems simple enoughAs many others have said, If you are crest fallen at having no one taking Ventriloquism or Erase, then you may want to tailor your campaign to one where these spells become required or useful. The vast majority of games tend to be combat centered, so the use of fireball as opposed to illusory Script is apparent. You cannot kill some one by showing them your illusory script, but you can blow someone into a bunch of toasty little bits.Yes, haste is overpowered. Everyone knows that, its been brought up many times. Yes, harm should warrant a saving throw.  Okay. This does not mean Fireball warrants being kicked up to 4th level. Look at it this way. A Fighter at 5th level has 5 feats and a BAB of +5 plus what ever his strength score is. Compare this to the mage, with +2 BAB and 3 feats. Without fire ball, the mage will hang back, possibly throwing out a few Magic Missiles (probably only 2 if you knocked it up to 2nd Level). What else can he do? Throw his voice for 5 minutes? Honestly, fireball is what moves the mage up to the caliber of the fighter. Compare the wizard to the cleric, BAB of +3; turn/rebuke undead, many more buff spells, armor, spontaneous casting... the wizard definitely needs that fireball to stay on par. Same with the rogue, monk, barbarian, paladin, druid, etc ... the wizard's explosive arsenal allows them to deal the damage and have the same effectiveness as the rest of the party. Balance between the spell levels is irrelevant. If anything, dropping bestow curse to 1st or 2nd level is over powering IMHO.*edited for mispellings</blockquote>

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