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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9191667" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sure he is.</p><p></p><p>Kang isn't the problem - he's easily as compelling as those guys in the comics. Building an entire storyline you're forcing multiple movies into around a single actor however, that's a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I tend to think the initial popularity of the characters doesn't matter than much, even without Gunn, but you need to give them compelling stories, and that's what hasn't really happened.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed. The current MCU ship is essentially sinking and won't be fixed that way. That said, if Disney/Marvel are smart, they could change course drastically and perhaps get to a port as it were.</p><p></p><p>But that won't be by bringing back people - I mean, I think that was always the plan, to have a Secret Wars movie pairing where they brought back/in whoever the heck they wanted, but if they were going to do that they should have just gone for it - we shouldn't be several years away from such. Also that that was the plan doesn't mean it was a good plan. I think your points re: groundedness and writing are relevant here. Secret Wars (the original) was a lot of fun in the comics in a "mashing action figures together" kind of way, but that might not translate to the screen, and the 2015-ish comics Secret Wars? UGHGHGHGHGHGH no awful bad boring lame overcomplicated pretentious.</p><p></p><p>I do think they have an opportunity to "start over" with the X-men, but it won't be with the MCU as we know it at this point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nah. It's not a huge part. It is a part, but the success of frankly largely forgotten characters like Thor (whose popularity outside hardcore Marvel fans was basically zero prior to the MCU) and utterly risible characters like Captain America and Dr Strange shows that real-terms popularity doesn't matter if the character can be made compelling.</p><p></p><p>Picking characters better does matter, but it's not "who is popular in comics", it's "who can we make compelling". They're not the same thing. There's overlap, but there's also stuff outside that that works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9191667, member: 18"] Sure he is. Kang isn't the problem - he's easily as compelling as those guys in the comics. Building an entire storyline you're forcing multiple movies into around a single actor however, that's a problem. I tend to think the initial popularity of the characters doesn't matter than much, even without Gunn, but you need to give them compelling stories, and that's what hasn't really happened. Indeed. The current MCU ship is essentially sinking and won't be fixed that way. That said, if Disney/Marvel are smart, they could change course drastically and perhaps get to a port as it were. But that won't be by bringing back people - I mean, I think that was always the plan, to have a Secret Wars movie pairing where they brought back/in whoever the heck they wanted, but if they were going to do that they should have just gone for it - we shouldn't be several years away from such. Also that that was the plan doesn't mean it was a good plan. I think your points re: groundedness and writing are relevant here. Secret Wars (the original) was a lot of fun in the comics in a "mashing action figures together" kind of way, but that might not translate to the screen, and the 2015-ish comics Secret Wars? UGHGHGHGHGHGH no awful bad boring lame overcomplicated pretentious. I do think they have an opportunity to "start over" with the X-men, but it won't be with the MCU as we know it at this point. Nah. It's not a huge part. It is a part, but the success of frankly largely forgotten characters like Thor (whose popularity outside hardcore Marvel fans was basically zero prior to the MCU) and utterly risible characters like Captain America and Dr Strange shows that real-terms popularity doesn't matter if the character can be made compelling. Picking characters better does matter, but it's not "who is popular in comics", it's "who can we make compelling". They're not the same thing. There's overlap, but there's also stuff outside that that works. [/QUOTE]
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