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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 3764342" data-attributes="member: 12332">I think statements to the effect that no data released means people can't proclaim doom are, essentially, bunk.  Naysayers are going to proclaim regardless of how much they do or do not know about the system.  However, the only way people who are positive about the change can really say:  "No, look, they did address this." is if they have some idea of how it has been addressed.I don't remember people tipping over stuff and setting lots of fires because the Assassin got nixed late-game and turned into a PrC.  We had some previews of the Assassin and then he didn't appear.  Nobody sued WotC, thousands of gamers did not revolt, there was no PHB bonfire on the White House lawn.  What about "this isn't final" is so hard to understand or causes such deep and lasting conflict or legal horrors that we should, instead, know 0 about the system until the day it is released?Right now we have no idea.  Most of what we know is conjecture from veiled statements and sidelong passes in combination with looking at past products and "what we'd do to homebrew something similar".  We don't KNOW that Saves are now Defenses, we just conjecture from some off-hand comments that mesh with rules we see in SWSE.  All of the playtest reports seem to have been purposefully created to be as useless as possible.  People go over them with a fine-tooth comb to pull out, again, conjecture based on past products.  Nobody has said:  "Wizards now get a Wizard Strike ability that causes damage and creates pushback."  There's conjecture to this, but really all we've got is somebody's non-rules story fluff that alludes to something like this.  If anything, I think ENWorld is more valuable this edition change than it was last time.  Now, since 90% of the data we seem to be getting from Wizards is non-data and non-informative, I have to check here to see if anybody has figured something out from the doublespeak.  And THAT I take with a grain of salt since it's really just semi-informed guesswork half the time.  --fje</blockquote>

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