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<blockquote data-quote="DragonShadow" data-source="post: 3406966" data-attributes="member: 16918">In my experience, I have a hard time getting players to move on to the new classes and step away from their nice safe Core classes.I've played just about everything imaginable, and I like the new classes. I'll promote them for what they're worth, but I can't see them being included in the next editions PHB. I agree, though, that they've released just one too many new base classes. Almost every book in the Complete series has three new base classes, and it seems that they're not much different from the other classes, they've just got built in flavor. (Swashbuckler is at the top of my &quot;Why Do We Have This Crap?&quot; list.)My question to you, though, is are all of the core classes even &quot;Core&quot;? If they weren't included in the PHB, would people yearn for them to be brought back? Some people inevitably would, but when it comes down to what people play in any given situation and what they don't, I have to ask &quot;why is this in my PHB, and this not?&quot; It's all a matter of personal preference, of course, and the classes in the PHB are (IMO) meant to be the most basic of base classes. Have an archetype, it's in the book. Everything else is just fluff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DragonShadow, post: 3406966, member: 16918"] In my experience, I have a hard time getting players to move on to the new classes and step away from their nice safe Core classes. I've played just about everything imaginable, and I like the new classes. I'll promote them for what they're worth, but I can't see them being included in the next editions PHB. I agree, though, that they've released just one too many new base classes. Almost every book in the Complete series has three new base classes, and it seems that they're not much different from the other classes, they've just got built in flavor. (Swashbuckler is at the top of my "Why Do We Have This Crap?" list.) My question to you, though, is are all of the core classes even "Core"? If they weren't included in the PHB, would people yearn for them to be brought back? Some people inevitably would, but when it comes down to what people play in any given situation and what they don't, I have to ask "why is this in my PHB, and this not?" It's all a matter of personal preference, of course, and the classes in the PHB are (IMO) meant to be the most basic of base classes. Have an archetype, it's in the book. Everything else is just fluff. [/QUOTE]

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