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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 3422883" data-attributes="member: 114">If I might move the comparison from your original example to something perhaps more representative of the underlying problem...I think it can be more interesting to compare a +1 flaming frost weapon (+3 equivalent) to a +1 flaming burst weapon (+3 equivalent). Both cost the same, both have the same chance to hit, but the first one is doing an average 7 damage from +2d6 damage with every strike, the latter is doing an average of +3.5 + .55&nbsp; = +4.05 damage with every strike (1d6 flaming + 10% chance (optimistically) of doing +1d10 damage.I don't think that energy resistances are worth including in the calculation unless the entire campaign is all about fighting fiends or foes which characteristically have elemental resistance baked in; it would have a small effect in normal adventuring but not much I'd wager (and then just compare flaming burst with holy...)So what damage would the flaming burst have to do on a crit to get its average damage up to equivalent +2 enhancement levels?So the flaming burst longsword gets the normal +3.5 from flaming, and then crits (optimistically) 10% of the time, so 10d6 damage (average 35) turning up 10% of the time would round the overall expected damage up to +7 per round.I can't imagine many DM's going for a 10d6 burst weapon though (and worse with higher crit multiples!). What about the best likely case? Keen rapier, threatens on 15-20, so optimistically could crit as much as 30% of the time, so about +3d6 damage 30% of the time would be very roughly equivalent to +1d6 all the time. How would you feel about burst weapons doing +3d6 damage (or more)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 3422883, member: 114"] If I might move the comparison from your original example to something perhaps more representative of the underlying problem... I think it can be more interesting to compare a +1 flaming frost weapon (+3 equivalent) to a +1 flaming burst weapon (+3 equivalent). Both cost the same, both have the same chance to hit, but the first one is doing an average 7 damage from +2d6 damage with every strike, the latter is doing an average of +3.5 + .55 = +4.05 damage with every strike (1d6 flaming + 10% chance (optimistically) of doing +1d10 damage. I don't think that energy resistances are worth including in the calculation unless the entire campaign is all about fighting fiends or foes which characteristically have elemental resistance baked in; it would have a small effect in normal adventuring but not much I'd wager (and then just compare flaming burst with holy...) So what damage would the flaming burst have to do on a crit to get its average damage up to equivalent +2 enhancement levels? So the flaming burst longsword gets the normal +3.5 from flaming, and then crits (optimistically) 10% of the time, so 10d6 damage (average 35) turning up 10% of the time would round the overall expected damage up to +7 per round. I can't imagine many DM's going for a 10d6 burst weapon though (and worse with higher crit multiples!). What about the best likely case? Keen rapier, threatens on 15-20, so optimistically could crit as much as 30% of the time, so about +3d6 damage 30% of the time would be very roughly equivalent to +1d6 all the time. How would you feel about burst weapons doing +3d6 damage (or more)? [/QUOTE]

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