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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5510631" data-attributes="member: 78116">I assume competent players because not everyone stays new forever. The problem with the Knight - indeed the essentials martial classes in a nutshell - is their lack of options ensures when the going gets tough they get going. Invariably it's tough or just poorly designed encounters (where the DM didn't realize it would be so hard - more common with a new DM actually) where the lack of options will bite them in the rear end. Every single hard encounter I've ever ran with a Knight he's fallen apart instantly - while every other defenders strengths (and general options) keep them in the running during very tough times.Really that's an inherent problem when comparing classes who get plenty of options vs. those that don't. As I mentioned, when you NEED those options and you lack them: It's trouble. I also feel the knight is far more reliant on race and specific items than the fighter is by far.</blockquote>