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Are the Scarlet bro's and Iuz holding GREYHAWK back?
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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3552757" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hi there Emirikol! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thats because WotC are no longer supporting it. They should really have licensed it to some thirdparty publisher rather than letting it go to waste.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But that was always going to be the case unless you are consistently DMing a low/mid-level game where the heroes simply don't have the power to make sweeping changes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...and how is that any different from saying "There are cooler things than Drow*. I think they were cool when they were secret and evil"...?</p><p></p><p>*or Zhentarim.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Utter nonsense. Unless you have a plan to replace them with something better, then there is no reason at all to remove such iconic villains.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The gazetteer wasn't a great product by any standards, stack that side by side with the FRCS for instance and you could tell which product line they were planning to support.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the reason why Realms is supported and Greyhawk isn't, is purely because of novels.</p><p></p><p>When you have luminaries like R.A. Salvatore and Ed Greenwood each cranking out a novel a year, one FR novel is released practically every month and theres something like a 200+ novel back catalogue, you just have that added layer of familiarity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I fully admit to not keeping up with the current Forgotten realms timeline, but have there been any major changes to the political borders of Faerun since the beginning of 3rd Edition? What countries have fallen?</p><p></p><p>I am only on the periphery of keeping an eye on the Realms (so I could well be wrong), but it seems to me that they pretty much keep the status quo with regards no big changes, but simply make lots of little changes.</p><p></p><p>The Greyhawk Wars/From the Ashes made a lot of major changes. </p><p></p><p>But the point I am trying to make, that Klaus also mentioned, is that the changes to the Forgotten Realms timeline are mostly superficial. So you have product after product which is simply detailing a different geographical area, or either a society or group.</p><p></p><p>Books I'd love to see...</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: The Chaos Wastes</strong>...the North</p><p></p><p>Iuz, Furyondy, Barbarians, Nomads.</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: Legions of the Damned</strong>...the East</p><p></p><p>Aerdy (updated Ivid the Undying), Nyrond</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: Cloaked in Terror</strong>...the South</p><p></p><p>Scarlet Brotherhood, Amedio Jungle, Hepmonaland</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: Seas of Blood</strong>...the Seas</p><p></p><p>Sae Princes, Sea Barons, Wild Coast, Pomarj</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: Playground of the Giants</strong>...the West</p><p></p><p>Crystalmist Mountains, Sterich, Geoff</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: Mages of Power</strong></p><p></p><p>Circle of Five, Rary, Jazirian, Iggwilv, Philidor, Zagyg, Vecna, Slerotin, Acererak etc.</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk: Beyond the Flanaess</strong></p><p></p><p>Overview of everything outside the Flanaess.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 3552757, member: 326"] Hi there Emirikol! :) Thats because WotC are no longer supporting it. They should really have licensed it to some thirdparty publisher rather than letting it go to waste. But that was always going to be the case unless you are consistently DMing a low/mid-level game where the heroes simply don't have the power to make sweeping changes. ...and how is that any different from saying "There are cooler things than Drow*. I think they were cool when they were secret and evil"...? *or Zhentarim. Utter nonsense. Unless you have a plan to replace them with something better, then there is no reason at all to remove such iconic villains. The gazetteer wasn't a great product by any standards, stack that side by side with the FRCS for instance and you could tell which product line they were planning to support. I think the reason why Realms is supported and Greyhawk isn't, is purely because of novels. When you have luminaries like R.A. Salvatore and Ed Greenwood each cranking out a novel a year, one FR novel is released practically every month and theres something like a 200+ novel back catalogue, you just have that added layer of familiarity. I fully admit to not keeping up with the current Forgotten realms timeline, but have there been any major changes to the political borders of Faerun since the beginning of 3rd Edition? What countries have fallen? I am only on the periphery of keeping an eye on the Realms (so I could well be wrong), but it seems to me that they pretty much keep the status quo with regards no big changes, but simply make lots of little changes. The Greyhawk Wars/From the Ashes made a lot of major changes. But the point I am trying to make, that Klaus also mentioned, is that the changes to the Forgotten Realms timeline are mostly superficial. So you have product after product which is simply detailing a different geographical area, or either a society or group. Books I'd love to see... [B]Greyhawk: The Chaos Wastes[/B]...the North Iuz, Furyondy, Barbarians, Nomads. [B]Greyhawk: Legions of the Damned[/B]...the East Aerdy (updated Ivid the Undying), Nyrond [B]Greyhawk: Cloaked in Terror[/B]...the South Scarlet Brotherhood, Amedio Jungle, Hepmonaland [B]Greyhawk: Seas of Blood[/B]...the Seas Sae Princes, Sea Barons, Wild Coast, Pomarj [B]Greyhawk: Playground of the Giants[/B]...the West Crystalmist Mountains, Sterich, Geoff [B]Greyhawk: Mages of Power[/B] Circle of Five, Rary, Jazirian, Iggwilv, Philidor, Zagyg, Vecna, Slerotin, Acererak etc. [B]Greyhawk: Beyond the Flanaess[/B] Overview of everything outside the Flanaess. [/QUOTE]
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