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<blockquote data-quote="GQuail" data-source="post: 3491270" data-attributes="member: 30709">Speaking for myself and my group: Angels, Demons &amp; Devils have ties to some classical concepts in real world mythology, which helps a lot in making players &quot;get&quot; them: Modrons, less so.&nbsp; (And the same for slaads as well).&nbsp; Ice Devils, Hound Archons &amp; Mariliths may not have a direct comparison in real faiths but their close enough to these basic ideas that players understand what's coming and can fit it into a fantasy pantheon.Modrons and Slaads, less so.&nbsp; Slaads, the mutant frogs, seem a bit out there as a concept but players can probably take a stab at &quot;demons, but not evil&quot; or something - Modrons, however, are perhaps a bit too &quot;unfantasy&quot; for some people.&nbsp; Especially in their 1E look: to be fair, lots of 1E monsters look silly, but I simply can't&nbsp; run those Modrons and get player respect.&nbsp; Now, Paizo's April issue of Dragon presented me with Modrons that I finally &quot;got&quot;, and making them constructs rather than outsiders (even if that breaks some planar physics) also helped me in my appreciation for them: plus, the art looked less &quot;weird&quot; and more &quot;cute&quot;, which is a step in the right direction.&nbsp; (And a post by Mousferatu about Modrons as Dalek-a-likes really gave me some funky ideas!)&nbsp; But for a lot of people, earlier material has perhaps spoiled them: and evevn with, they may still not fit some people's genre expectations.Formians and Inevitables are, IMHO, a better plug for how some people see Law.&nbsp; The emotionless spread of the rigid ant colony structure and the interplanar police are in place of the Modrons in the MM for a reason: the raw concepts are easier to plug into campaigns built on traditional rather than D&amp;D fantasy concepts.&nbsp; (Of course, there will be exceptions: Inevitables, for example, may be too much &quot;Robocop&quot; for some)&nbsp; I think that Far Realm inhabiants and stuff like the Gibberming Mouther or Chaos Beast would be a better fit for Chaos than the Slaad as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GQuail, post: 3491270, member: 30709"] Speaking for myself and my group: Angels, Demons & Devils have ties to some classical concepts in real world mythology, which helps a lot in making players "get" them: Modrons, less so. (And the same for slaads as well). Ice Devils, Hound Archons & Mariliths may not have a direct comparison in real faiths but their close enough to these basic ideas that players understand what's coming and can fit it into a fantasy pantheon. Modrons and Slaads, less so. Slaads, the mutant frogs, seem a bit out there as a concept but players can probably take a stab at "demons, but not evil" or something - Modrons, however, are perhaps a bit too "unfantasy" for some people. Especially in their 1E look: to be fair, lots of 1E monsters look silly, but I simply can't run those Modrons and get player respect. Now, Paizo's April issue of Dragon presented me with Modrons that I finally "got", and making them constructs rather than outsiders (even if that breaks some planar physics) also helped me in my appreciation for them: plus, the art looked less "weird" and more "cute", which is a step in the right direction. (And a post by Mousferatu about Modrons as Dalek-a-likes really gave me some funky ideas!) But for a lot of people, earlier material has perhaps spoiled them: and evevn with, they may still not fit some people's genre expectations. Formians and Inevitables are, IMHO, a better plug for how some people see Law. The emotionless spread of the rigid ant colony structure and the interplanar police are in place of the Modrons in the MM for a reason: the raw concepts are easier to plug into campaigns built on traditional rather than D&D fantasy concepts. (Of course, there will be exceptions: Inevitables, for example, may be too much "Robocop" for some) I think that Far Realm inhabiants and stuff like the Gibberming Mouther or Chaos Beast would be a better fit for Chaos than the Slaad as well. [/QUOTE]

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