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Are there any means for an unarmed Brawler Fighter to count as "wielding" a weapon?
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<blockquote data-quote="D'karr" data-source="post: 5760853" data-attributes="member: 336"><p>So according to the rules lawyers a "weapon" that appears as a <strong>Weapon</strong> in the Melee <strong>Weapon</strong> table and that appears on the category of improvised melee <strong>Weapons</strong> is not a weapon.</p><p></p><p>That is one very weird way of reading English. I don't actually have to interpret anything about this. It is there in plain language. If this was something from Customer Service they need to take remedial English.</p><p></p><p>By the way right above that entry in the table is Any, which means anything you pick up from a rock to a chair to a pool cue, and those are weapons too.</p><p></p><p>The effect says when you are wielding a melee weapon in your primary hand. It does not say when you are wielding a melee weapon with a proficiency bonus, or any melee weapon but for your own hand. When I'm wielding a bow and I make an opportunity attack I can use the unarmed weapon to make an unarmed attack. But I can't benefit from what the OP was talking about because I have a ranged weapon in my primary hand, I'm wielding something besides a melee weapon.</p><p></p><p>So if the PC was holding a chair leg in his hand he would be wielding a weapon, it has no proficiency bonus and does crap damage but it is a weapon, and would benefit from the effect the OP is referencing. The unarmed attack has no proficiency bonus and does crap damage, but it is a weapon in every reference in the books.</p><p></p><p>The next "rules lawyering" would be can an unarmed attack benefit from powers/feats that reference the off-hand? And the answer would be NO. The unarmed attack does not have the Off-Hand property of weapons so it does not benefit from effects that reference the off-hand.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D'karr, post: 5760853, member: 336"] So according to the rules lawyers a "weapon" that appears as a [B]Weapon[/B] in the Melee [B]Weapon[/B] table and that appears on the category of improvised melee [B]Weapons[/B] is not a weapon. That is one very weird way of reading English. I don't actually have to interpret anything about this. It is there in plain language. If this was something from Customer Service they need to take remedial English. By the way right above that entry in the table is Any, which means anything you pick up from a rock to a chair to a pool cue, and those are weapons too. The effect says when you are wielding a melee weapon in your primary hand. It does not say when you are wielding a melee weapon with a proficiency bonus, or any melee weapon but for your own hand. When I'm wielding a bow and I make an opportunity attack I can use the unarmed weapon to make an unarmed attack. But I can't benefit from what the OP was talking about because I have a ranged weapon in my primary hand, I'm wielding something besides a melee weapon. So if the PC was holding a chair leg in his hand he would be wielding a weapon, it has no proficiency bonus and does crap damage but it is a weapon, and would benefit from the effect the OP is referencing. The unarmed attack has no proficiency bonus and does crap damage, but it is a weapon in every reference in the books. The next "rules lawyering" would be can an unarmed attack benefit from powers/feats that reference the off-hand? And the answer would be NO. The unarmed attack does not have the Off-Hand property of weapons so it does not benefit from effects that reference the off-hand. [/QUOTE]
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