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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8130089" data-attributes="member: 93670">The +2/+2 is a huge impact. because the standard array goes from 15/14/13/12/10/8 to something like 17/16/13/12/10/8 or 17/14/13/14/10/8 allowing great int, good to great con, enough dex to cap out that medium armor, &amp; still ok wis/cha for saves if one of those doesn't get swapped with strength for whatever reason like heavy armor goal. Pairing that kind of am array with light/medium armor proficiency easily puts it a few steps ahead because AC is almost always useful while a panic button like a lot of races have just looks sad with things like (&quot;i can cast x once/long rest but it doesn't count as known/prepared&quot; or &quot;I can do extra damage against larger foes once/long rest&quot;)Take two optimizers like [USER=6982024]@BacchusNL[/USER] mentioned <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/are-there-any-races-post-tashas-that-compare-with-mountain-dwarf-for-casters.676553/post-8130056" target="_blank">earlier</a> call them Alice &amp; bob. Alice is playing a mountain dwarf so pretty much always has better ac than bob &amp; where it counts likely has better attributes outside &quot;where did they put their low stats&quot;.&nbsp; Bob has played that mountain dwarf in a previous campaign &amp; wants to play something different.&nbsp; On occasion bob might get a chance to use whatever racial goodies he got, but the limitations &amp; corner case needs will always remind him of just how much better Alice's +N half plate &amp; better attribute is..&nbsp; I don't see it as a problem with mountain dwarf because the choices are still lots of good ones for martial classes, this is more a failing for races that synergize well with casters in ways other than &quot;+2 to their prime stat&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8130089, member: 93670"] The +2/+2 is a huge impact. because the standard array goes from 15/14/13/12/10/8 to something like 17/16/13/12/10/8 or 17/14/13/14/10/8 allowing great int, good to great con, enough dex to cap out that medium armor, & still ok wis/cha for saves if one of those doesn't get swapped with strength for whatever reason like heavy armor goal. Pairing that kind of am array with light/medium armor proficiency easily puts it a few steps ahead because AC is almost always useful while a panic button like a lot of races have just looks sad with things like ("i can cast x once/long rest but it doesn't count as known/prepared" or "I can do extra damage against larger foes once/long rest") Take two optimizers like [USER=6982024]@BacchusNL[/USER] mentioned [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/are-there-any-races-post-tashas-that-compare-with-mountain-dwarf-for-casters.676553/post-8130056']earlier[/URL] call them Alice & bob. Alice is playing a mountain dwarf so pretty much always has better ac than bob & where it counts likely has better attributes outside "where did they put their low stats". Bob has played that mountain dwarf in a previous campaign & wants to play something different. On occasion bob might get a chance to use whatever racial goodies he got, but the limitations & corner case needs will always remind him of just how much better Alice's +N half plate & better attribute is.. I don't see it as a problem with mountain dwarf because the choices are still lots of good ones for martial classes, this is more a failing for races that synergize well with casters in ways other than "+2 to their prime stat" [/QUOTE]

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