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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5589989" data-attributes="member: 9037">I remember an incident in my game were the bard/beguiler tried diplomacy on a cleric of ST Cuthbert.He rolled a natural 20 which in our game is a 30. He was able to get the cleric  to back down but not be friendly. There was a behind the screen reason and it was because of the bard's race.The player was very upset and pulling out the rules. I tried to explain that normally he would have had the guy eating out of his hand but something didn't feel right about the cleric's animosity towards the PC. If the player had bothered to investigate he would have found an important clue of what was going on.  Instead he fumed over it and I got tons of upset emails over the week and finally I relented and just came out and told him why. He was like oh wow that is so cool. Sorry I didn't trust you.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />Now when I DM upfront I tell players that good rolls on social skills don't always work and there will always be a reason behind it when they fail or don't get the exact response you want.</blockquote>