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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 5592266" data-attributes="member: 10784">I just re-read the book, but have barely watched the TV series, so I can't comment on that.  In 3E/3.5E, Tyrion would obviously be a higher level Aristocrat with most of his feats & ranks in social skills.I wouldn't say Robb was hostile in the book.  However, I would say Tyrion managed to change his attitude from Unfriendly to Indifferent only after Robb got confirmation that the saddle diagram Tyrion drew up for Bran was something that could work.The prison guard got a large sack full of gold, and that was only to tell Lyssa that he was going to confess.  The guard also knew that a Lannister always pays their debts.  Unfriendly to Friendly is DC:25, while Unfriendly to Helpful is DC: 40.Convincing the wild men was impressive, but keep in mind that Tyrion is likely decently high in level   In 3.5E, turning a Hostile party to Indifferent is a DC: 25.  If he is a level 10 aristocrat, he could have up to 13 ranks in Diplomacy, plus another 2-3 for Charisma of 14 or 16, plus another 3 for Skill Focus and another +2 or +4 for various skill synergies.  So, possibly a +23 to his roll.</blockquote>