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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5599756" data-attributes="member: 8835">Nice colorful example.I just watch Ocean's Eleven last night.&nbsp; THIS is the kind of thing a party of social skill monkeys would pull.Is the complaint that it's too easy for the party to trick the guard?&nbsp; Versus the other most abused PC responses to problems:kill itburn itSome folks seem to be disagreeing on the realism of these social skills.Consider, somebody makes up their mind to hire you in the first 10 SECONDS of meeting you.&nbsp; The rest of the interview is them rationalizing to themselves on your answers that &quot;you show promise and can learn our business&quot; or &quot;this person doesn't get our business and we shouldn't hire him&quot;.&nbsp; Seriously, there's been studies on this.&nbsp; That means the social skill check is influencing this first impression effect.&nbsp; Humans really are that poorly designed.Additionally, consider Social Engineering, the hacker craft of talking people into letting you into buildings, giving up passwords.&nbsp; And this is a social skill developed by nerds, a people not known for their social skills.It is NOT that implausible that somebody with good social engineering skills could bluff their way into a White House dinner.&nbsp; Oh wait, that actually happened.Could the rules be better designed?&nbsp; Sure.&nbsp; are all the extreme results implausible?&nbsp; Reality would disagree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Janx, post: 5599756, member: 8835"] Nice colorful example. I just watch Ocean's Eleven last night. THIS is the kind of thing a party of social skill monkeys would pull. Is the complaint that it's too easy for the party to trick the guard? Versus the other most abused PC responses to problems: kill it burn it Some folks seem to be disagreeing on the realism of these social skills. Consider, somebody makes up their mind to hire you in the first 10 SECONDS of meeting you. The rest of the interview is them rationalizing to themselves on your answers that "you show promise and can learn our business" or "this person doesn't get our business and we shouldn't hire him". Seriously, there's been studies on this. That means the social skill check is influencing this first impression effect. Humans really are that poorly designed. Additionally, consider Social Engineering, the hacker craft of talking people into letting you into buildings, giving up passwords. And this is a social skill developed by nerds, a people not known for their social skills. It is NOT that implausible that somebody with good social engineering skills could bluff their way into a White House dinner. Oh wait, that actually happened. Could the rules be better designed? Sure. are all the extreme results implausible? Reality would disagree. [/QUOTE]

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