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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5611605" data-attributes="member: 8835">I can see what hussar is digging in on.  I grilled JC on the example as well.And yes, parts of the example wouldn't be run the same way if i was gming.  But we also got to cut JC some respect that he's not a crap dm.The diplomat arriving before the pcs was a complucation because the party wasted time.The party not knowing enough about the diplomat to invalidate him as a candidate was likely a botched gather info check. Though i think close friend of king would have been more widely known than other details about him.Perhaps a counter example from JC? How COULD the party have socialed their way in (rather than brute force, spells, or climb and stealth rolls)Since it was his example based on some fragments from a real game,what was a viable social approach?I think folks have offered alternatives.  Can the argument be ended if JC validates that the party chose the wrong point (guard after lockdown posing as known person), and there still was other viable social attack points that could have worked with the right story and die rolls.</blockquote>