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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5611820" data-attributes="member: 6668292">And I think success should be defined by how the rules define them, rather than based on PC goals.If the PCs are fighting a lich, and they kill him and destroy his phylactery (they got a tip off as to what it is from an anonymous source), then they think they've succeeded in their goal. However, I know that the lich orchestrated the information, gave them false information on his phylactery, and prepared a fake phylactery because he knew the party would go after him (they were past friends, and he had become Evil). Then, they take his stuff (it is D&D, after all), and he pops up 1d10 days later at his phylactery (which they have), and ambushes and kills one of the PCs (before taking his stuff back). This cannot happen with your preferred method, as far as I can tell, as killing the lich and destroying his phylactery seems reasonable, and "negating" that outcome would be wrong. But please, correct me if I'm wrong, as I might very well be.But, had the PCs looked into things (they did literally no research, and took the source at his word), they may have found out that this wasn't the case. Sometimes things aren't always successful, even if you roll high (like kicking some lich butt).It's a play style difference. Your style isn't wrong. And I'm not playing a game where it's run by "... GM fiat, railroady, inferior game where I arbitrarily make things disadvantageous to the players and always rule against them and don't trust them". That's just not the case, and the fact that Hussar has repeatedly attributed those things to me, as well as other things (endless checks that they players can't succeed, taking away player success or twisting player success into failure, etc.) is something I find a little baffling.It's following the rules of the game. If the GM is to be a neutral arbiter, I'd rather him follow the rules as they were intended.There's nothing wrong with that style of play, but using the rules isn't wrong, either.If that's the way you and your players like, I have no beef with that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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