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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5614453" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, huh?  We've already agreed that the players succeeded in improving the guard's reactions as well.  It's not that they succeeded in this one check and get the pass, it's that they succeeded the challenge.  However checks that might have required is not really relavent.  The players bluffed.  The players diplomatized.  The player did dancing jigs....Yeah, we're just talking past each other now.  I'm missing points and you guys are missing points.  This isn't going to go anywhere and I'm simply turning what is a rather good thread into a mess.  I'll be stepping out now.But, just because I can't resist, I'll leave with this thought.In the original example that started all this, Elf Witch complained that her player didn't engage in the setting when she interpreted the results of a success in a manner which the player didn't agree with.Lots of people then piped up to say what a jerk player this player was.And, they might very well be right.  The player might be wrong.  However, I don't automatically assume that.  If your playstyle results in players being so frustrated that they are sending you angry emails, it might not be the player.  It very well might be.  But, I'm certainly not going to assume that.-------Edit to add.  Those interested in the style of game that I'm really criticising here should take a look at <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/308294-hes-beyond-my-healing-ability.html" target="_blank">This thread about He's Beyond My Healing Ability</a> for numerous examples of the DM chucking the rules out the window in order to produce a pre-scripted result.</blockquote>

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