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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9361957" data-attributes="member: 18">Just to pick up on these points:A) Yes virtually all hobbies look down on their participants. You seem to be in a "the grass is greener" scenario, but I can assure you that videogames, boardgames, wargames, miniatures, hiking, most forms of boating, cycling, and pretty much every hobby I've ever come across ABSOLUTELY 100% has a community which "looks down on their participants". It is genuinely silly to think you will find one that doesn't.B) Do you think cyclists don't get in fights about what the companies involved in cycling are doing? Because I can assure you that they do. The same for virtually all hobbies. Problematic past content is less of an issue for most hobbies, but it's much worse for some (like, I dunno, tabletop wargames, particularly Warhammer), but this seems like a "you" problem, not a problem with RPGs anyway.C) "They're not playing like I am" - yeah again pretty much all hobbies have a ton of people who are mad if you're not doing it the same way as them. Depending on the hobby that may manifest as being screamed at for building your bike "wrong" or being frowned at for running your RPG "wrong", but once you're involved in the community, it will happen.So no, other communities are not better in the way you want them to be.Just as a little bonus hate from me, I'd like to call out gardening for having one of the worst and most unpleasant communities of all hobbies, it's a sphere populated by intentionally gnomic jerks who point-blank refuse to give honest or straightforward advice, and who seemingly actively seek to confound people new to gardening, especially those who they don't think are "serious" enough. And what's particularly galling is that the people doing this very obvious gatekeeping and exclusionary behaviour do it in a way that they clearly think isn't obvious and think is entirely "above board" (it ain't). On more positive note I have found some YouTube channels which don't engage in this gnomic twattery, but it is absolutely the standard, par-for-the-course approach to talking about gardening, and it's very gate-keep-y and crummy.</blockquote>

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