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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8560085" data-attributes="member: 84112">so if someone role played the perfect crit shot to the eye in combat would you pass them without a d20 roll? or is it only for searching?some of those choices are made at character creation and level up... puttiing no ranks in search and have a -1 stat mod to it were all choises. so full story.  there was a room and we were pretty sure there was hidden treasure in it (a bed room and lots of reasons to think there was something here).   1 player had been playing with the DM for years. 1 player (me) was new to playing with this DM even though I had been playing D&D for a decade+.  1 player checked the bed, another the desk and me the closet. I describeding "Going through the close and looking for hidden panels, or anything out of place"  (they each described there searches about as well) we were all told to roll. I got in the high teens, I was a rogue with a good stat and max ranks. I was pretty close to the best search check you can make. we all found nothing. So we started thinking 'outside the box' for spells and stuff... the low stat can't find his own hand character's player says 'na' I've seen this trick before I bet it's a portable hole' takes the bar out of the closet, looks in pulls out the portable hole... no roll. why would that character know that trick? good question, because 2 campaigns before the DM did the same thing and no one found it and he told them later to prove how smart he was. don't let me 'waste' points on things that no roll matters for. same character also with a dump stat cha (although I think this was a no mod) could talk circles around everyone... cause the player was best friedns with the DM and knew how he thought.</blockquote>

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