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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8560113" data-attributes="member: 84112">we will not agree. We do not play D&D remotely the same way... but fine I will try... this wont end well.I love interactive conversations, I want my players to tell me what they do. I don't make them spell out more then they want to (unless I really am stumped) and I don't reward dump stating cha and int because "I can role play through it"in my games if there were a DC (especially one over 20) that you could not hit there is no amount of role playing letting you do it... it's up there with hitting the moon with an arrow. If you don't have a skill on the sheet, you can not (and have not been able to in over 20 years since I started thinking this way) been able to role play AGAINST your character build choices. Example: Shy meek new player has a +9 Persuasion and +11 intimadate. Old RP guy who is loud and always knows the right thing to say has untrained a +1 to each... there is 0 amount of role playing that will let him come off as more inimadating or more persuasive,  just like if you have a 9 str and no training in Athletics, you aren't jumping from one building to another. just no. I don't care how well you describe it.</blockquote>