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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8561158" data-attributes="member: 93670">5e very much goes too far in the opposite direction in a lot of cases where the rules are setup to ensure that it's difficult for the gm to swing the dial away from deadpool &amp; make them look like they are being abusive if they try because there are so many areas of the rules that need one off changesThere are a couple things wrong with the pixelbitching search of the room, both are pretty critical parts to what you seem to be perceiving as the problem.&nbsp; <ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">First there is the fact that searching rooms like that was once the norm in very old editions because d&amp;d was still in its childhood learning to walk &amp; had not progressed with mechanics that go beyond that.&nbsp; Even back in the day groups would very often have a standard checklist of ~&quot;and we do the usual&quot; just to avoid wasting tons of gametime on mindless &amp; banal repetition of the same few 20 questions.&nbsp; D&amp;D moved beyond that point long ago however &amp; there is no reason for the gm to entertain player attempts at going back rather than saying no &amp; pointing out the failure</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Second is the fact that &quot;I'm a roleplayer [not a dirty filthy rollplayer]&quot; gets elevated into some kind of shield to justify anything so often that it becomes difficult for the gm to shut it down &amp; say something like &quot;no bob your -3 investigate roll doesn't find anything there either.&nbsp; You all gave it your best &amp; don't think you can find anything&quot; without coming off as the bad guy at the table even if bob never actually declared himself a roleplayer.&nbsp; The fact that the 5e rules have so many areas dedicated to being barriers against a hypothetical mythic killergm bent on dominating &amp; abusing their poor helpless players while failing to equip the gm with either tools or guidance beyond what is basically &quot;fix/finish it yourself&quot; being repeatedly foisted off onto the gm makes it even more difficult for the gm to shut down.</li>
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[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8561158, member: 93670"] 5e very much goes too far in the opposite direction in a lot of cases where the rules are setup to ensure that it's difficult for the gm to swing the dial away from deadpool & make them look like they are being abusive if they try because there are so many areas of the rules that need one off changes There are a couple things wrong with the pixelbitching search of the room, both are pretty critical parts to what you seem to be perceiving as the problem. [LIST] [*]First there is the fact that searching rooms like that was once the norm in very old editions because d&d was still in its childhood learning to walk & had not progressed with mechanics that go beyond that. Even back in the day groups would very often have a standard checklist of ~[I]"and we do the usual"[/I] just to avoid wasting tons of gametime on mindless & banal repetition of the same few 20 questions. D&D moved beyond that point long ago however & there is no reason for the gm to entertain player attempts at going back rather than saying no & pointing out the failure [*]Second is the fact that "I'm a [I]role[/I]player [not a dirty filthy r[I]oll[/I]player]" gets elevated into some kind of shield to justify anything so often that it becomes difficult for the gm to shut it down & say something like [I]"no bob your -3 investigate roll doesn't find anything there either. You all gave it your best & don't think you can find anything"[/I] without coming off as the bad guy at the table even if bob never actually declared himself a [I]role[/I]player. The fact that the 5e rules have so many areas dedicated to being barriers against a hypothetical mythic killergm bent on dominating & abusing their poor helpless players while failing to equip the gm with either tools or guidance beyond what is basically "fix/finish it yourself" being repeatedly foisted off onto the gm makes it even more difficult for the gm to shut down. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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